It was hillbilly on hillbilly crime.

well said beav

I would kind of freak out if they came and sat down next to me in a decent establishment? Just sayin....

Way to get outta paying the check.

Another laugh, Black panthers talk highly of Ron Paul/many of these movements..They dont interact.... Might be nice just refusing to interact instead of negative bs..

It was quite suspicious that the "victims" refused medical treatment, wasn't it?

Actually, no, Denise. If you have no health insurance (or a high dedcutable) and don't feel a need for professional care, the $1500 charge they'd receive from the emergency room (plus $500 for the ambulance) may not have been worth it to them. Something tells me these folks are not exactly in that "1%" Obama keeps demonizing!

Jennifer and I were not talking about income level, Bob, but rather suggesting that members of both groups involved have rap sheets that would put Charlie Sheen to shame (and that's perhaps why they didn't want to fill out paperwork and answer a lot of questions). But since you brought it up, no, these people were not the 1%--why would we think so? White supremacists are generally uneducated, low income, and looking for someone to blame. (Haven't you ever seen "American History X"?)

It's truly inspiring the way you continue to bring everything back to President Obama, Bob, when he has nothing to do with the subject at hand. But thanks for the opening and helping to articulate a point for me, even if it has nothing to do with this particular discussion: Isn't it a shame how excessively high medical costs prohibit Americans from getting necessary treatment? And if they do get that treatment, isn't it a bummer the way they pay off medical bills and can't spend their hard-earned money on other stuff, like shoes, cars, and lattes, which would help our economy get going? Wouldn't it be nice if Americans (criminals or not) could get medical attention when necessary without going into massive debt? We really need big changes in the way medical care is handled in this country. If only some brave leader would suggest such an idea . . .

The victims were people dining in The Ashford House, the owner, the wait staff, the patrons. This was a sheer act of terrorism and violent hate. We cannot allow violent hatred to occur in our towns. Running in to attack people with hammers and bats because you can't debate with them shows they have little mental capacity.

I applaud The Ashford House for standing up to violent haters who invaded and attacked the owner, employees and patrons. A true Irish establishment.

Obama keeps demonizing the 1% ? Really Bob? In what way? The Warren Buffetts of the world are his spokespeople. Supremacists have hijacked the country. All of this in fighting is a mere distraction while the 1% steal the country. Obama is allowing them to do it. So are ALL of the politicians and law enforcement in general and most of the attorneys are bought and paid for by US via the crooks who continue the robbery of US. We are ALL PAYING FOR IT.

Actually, Hannon, they're the same thing. Hitler's party was the "National Socialist Party" (Nazis), and was about as anti-right wing as you can get. They actually formed a coalition with the German communists early on, then turned on them when it was convenient for them.

The Nazi's were very big on "crony capitalism". They were VERY close and funded by their financial industry, which, ironically enough, was held in large part by Jews.

Kind of like the way Wall Street "invests" in Obama.

The Nazi's wanted as much power over peoples' lives as they could; politically, socially, and economically, so socialism was a natural fit for them as it is for all tyrants and oppressors.

The big corporate giants like Krup were in bed with them, and the Nazi's ensured that they were able to be profitable at taxpayer expense. If you supported Hitler, you did well.

Hitler followed the "socialist handbook" pretty much as we do in the Obama Republic, the "Solyndra's" and "GMs" get preferential treatment, in return for political kickbacks to the decision makers in power.

Italy under Mussolini followed a similar socialist path.

One of the "big lies" out there is that Nazi's and fascists are "right wingers". Nothing could be further from the truth. Both believe in oppressive government, thugism, and government control of our lives. They have nothing but contempt for the concepts of individual freedom and liberty that the right has that the core of their politik.

Fascism to install Complete Communism is the end stage result of Marxist Socialism. Marxist Socialism is the methodology of Communism. The LABOR FOR VALUE THEORY...which is slavery. Marxist Socialism is a set up to fail. They use Social Engineering to make people believe their lies such as the banks lend US money .... they don't. OBAMACARE, FRAUDCLOSURE, TBTF BAILOUTS are ALL fascism caused by the set up to fail of Marxist Socialism to create Complete Communism.

If the DOJ or any federal,state,local entity use white supremists as paid informants.... The public is in serious trouble because innocent bystanders will suffer outragous actions to galvinize opinions...

Bob, did you forget your medication?

Nope. I keep taking my aspirin and a couple statins. Why? Where you looking for someone off whom you could bum a few psychotropic drugs?

Bob, you really do need your medication. The feds won't get involved. This wasn't a federal crime. It's already in the state court system. Using your flawed "logic," if I crossed state lines to commit retail theft, would the feds get involved for that? No.
You can go now.

It's all a puppet show. The 1% would love to see all out anarchy. Then they could "fix" the problems they created with more ABUSE OF POWER... and declare martial law. Then they will have Obama institute all 900+ executive orders he signed and install Complete Government Control of everything....READ ABOUT IT HERE.... http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/do_obamas_executive_orders_reveal_a_pattern_.html#ixzz2152iJ2gV

Please allow me to repost that link..... http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/do_obamas_executive_orders_reveal_a_pattern.html

Nancy, they really were from all over the place. Some were from the Quad Cities, others, Wisconsin and others still, Texas and North Dakota. We don't have information on ALL the victims, but some. Stay tuned for an update on this tomorrow.

And again, why would all those people, from all over, decide to meet at Ashford House? I know that technically, Ireland is in Europe, but it seems to be an oddly specific restaurant to just meet up in. Hard to get to off a highway, just an odd choice.

What you clearly had reversed is that YOU are the sexist and the racist, and I'm sure you give it your best consistent effort 24/7/365!

I don't have to link Obama to Hitler and other despots. He does that quite well on his own, thank you very much!

As far as me somehow blaming women for getting stabbed, about the only case I can think of in that area is when women choose to start relationships with men who, well, DO things like stab people!

Other than that, I think this "stab" thing is perhaps part of your unhealthy interest in "slasher" films!

Well Bob in the last couple threads you have managed to to inform us that the woman who got stabbed in her wedding dress should have made a bettwr choice in her relationship, thus its her fault. Also, no one should have been shocked because of his past. So obviously she had it coming. In addition you have explained to us how things like this wouldn't happen the US managed its borders better. You explained what fracking really is, how the economy collapsed, the truth behind the housing troubles, and linked 1930's nazi germany to the obama administration. All of this while debunking anyones thoughts, logic and opinions that weren't in line with yours. All of this in an anti marriage thread. So after some deep thought, yes, i apologize, i must have had it reversed.

Right on David!

Yeah, David, it's UNTHINKABLE that someone debunk your nonsensical, fact free diatribes and personal attacks with logic, facts, and reason.

I thought I was debating with an educated, thinking adult when I was interacting with you, and you were capable of cogent retort. I see now that it is not the case. I deeply apologize.

While I disagree with Denise on many fronts and think she's a case of "a little knowledge being a dangerous thing", I respect her opinions and feelings because she attempts logical argument with facts and basis, not just the "demonize your opponent" approach of many on the left.

Kudos, Denise, I look forward to our future jousting!

BTW, I NEVER would say that someone like the unfortunate girl "deserved" her fate, but I believe her situation was a teachable moment for using better sense in associations. She certainly didn't "deserve" what happened to her and her children through her loss for her mistake. My wife and I volunteer and donate to the South Suburban Crisis Center, and the unfortunate girl's fate is too often repeated in our society. It's truly a tragedy that she wasn't given a chance to learn from her mistake.

David, it seems that in college Bob not only blew off his economics and geology classes, he also forgot to pay attention to his history, political science, and English classes. If he had listened in history, he'd realize that Nazi Germany was indeed a fascist, Totalitarian regime (and therefore not much like President Obama's philosophies, but much more similar to Scott Walker's Wisconsin with its propaganda, regulations on personal freedoms, and dismantling of unions). In Bob's poli sci classes, he might have learned that at the root of socialism's collective control is an ideal of a society based on social justice and a cooperative economy that believes equal opportunities and life chances should be for everyone, not just towheads. And in his English classes, he just might have learned how to pluralize nouns. But God love him, even without any particular knowledge in any field, he just keeps on talking. And that's what America is all about.

Bob! We were writing at the same time and I didn't even feel my ears burning. What are the odds‽ Thank you for the half-compliment, which I suppose you'll be taking back. I wouldn't blame you; there's enough snarkiness in my post to supply the morning rush at a hipster coffee house.

Ummmm...Denise, I DID say that the Nazi's were fascists...AS WELL AS SOCIALISTS! I know you can write, perhaps it's time to read.

"In Bob's poli sci classes, he might have learned that at the root of socialism's collective control is an ideal of a society based on social justice and a cooperative economy that believes equal opportunities and life chances should be for everyone, not just towheads"

Actually, since I didn't go to the "Bill Ayers school of political science", I got a practical education taking Illinois and International PoliSci. We learned the truth about socialism...it is about empowering the GOVERNMENT to control the economy, not the people. In capitalism, INDIVIDUALS have the right to participate in ownership of business. Capitalism is also the fairest and just system of economics, provided the corrupt government doesn't abuse its influence to pick "winners and losers" based upon taking from others to reward their political supporters (can you say "Solyndra" and "GM" and "AIG", etc.?)

Denise, since you apparently went to the "Karl Marx School of Economics and Political Thought" I suppose you actually believe that Socialism empowers the people"!LOL "Social Justice"? I believe you define that as taking from those whose hard work, intiative, willingness to take risk for gain and sacrifice EARNED IT and giving it to those who...well..DIDN'T!LOL

Fire and ice, here Denise!

What is wrong with you that you site UK news in a Tinley Park blog...? I don't get it unless to say blacks are bad. Well live your life being trod upon and it makes one violent or afraid up to the individual. Beyond that the greatest vehicle to get ahead as a group is to conflict with other groups...
Here's the thing though .If the wearing a cap the wrong way gets you mad. If rap music bothers you If you cringe when u see a blonde with a black guy. Its ok and natural as biology..When races interact the brain produces chemicals for survival and group selection. It is epigenetic in nature and cannot be repressed or reasoned with. It is as old as speech itself.(curiously the same threat feeling white people feel when the see a black guy Asians feel when they see a guy with red hair) @brain chemicals

My guess, and I could be way off, is the Annual Illinois Nazis Meet 'N Greet is usually in the city, which was a little crowded this weekend, so they 'burbed it up. They chose a place that would have a predominately white patronage.

We're definitely working on those details, Amanda. The one getaway car in which these guys were was pulled over at 183rd Street and Harlem Avenue in Tinley Park.

So I'm picking up that the general consensus is that NATO was either related or it affected the parties and location involved?

This was absolutely NOT related to NATO, according to police.

Tip for your little organization:

1. Guys caught with Kiddy Porn dont make the best of friends in a hammer fight.
2. Fellons with Warrants and guns dont help your PR campaign.
3. America was never a "White European country". America is a Country, Europe is not. By your logic, America is actually a Native American Country.
4. Posting your dinner plans to the world is not a good idea.

White Rabbit- I am pure Irish out of Galway, reside south side of Chicago. Do your research on what you say!"our" people, those in Ireland have overcome,. Think speak. Every person has a right to be proud of who they are, where they came from, what they look like, and believe. In this country that is a luxury. Should anyone be hurt, no. Should millions of people be in the prison system no. I know a vast amount prideful Irish, Jew, African, Asian, Latino, Indian, European, rich and poor that have all faced racism in some form or another. There are groups that do defend the right to represent what ever you want, and are not considered racist in any way. The moment you separate and divide , phrasing with it "them" "us" "our people" "my people" you divide the human race. Groups not standing down to racism have done wonders in this country. Movement that started before any of us were born. Racism is present! disagree? stop,think real hard.Are you equal as the man across from you, in the next car over? Time is wasted, lives are subjected due to hate. Punishment is not the answer, education and awareness is. Communication and respect are lost on both sides when there is a line drawn down the middle. These people did not fly in and attack, there was so much information linked to this "meeting." Irish have done the same for years, we are full of pride and passion. Thank your heritage for fighting for equal rights. Have hope for all children to not be surrounded by any of this!!!!

Are you serious? Do you really believe the nonsense you spew constantly?

So, tom, you just drop in to insult, add nothing of value to the discourse, and in no way bring a thoughtful idea to the conversation.

You had nothing to say, and somehow felt obligated to say it.

I believe you pretty much define the liberal blogger mindset.

Oh, one thing you forgot. Weren't you trained to always question the sanity of anyone with views differing from yours? C'mon! Get with the liberal program!LOl

Yes Tom, he does. What's more scarry is that he was actually a teacher! He is so wrapped up in his little world he fails to see what is actually around him. Bob has no problems blaming women for getting killed, being a know-it-all, telling all that disagree are wrong and throwing our racial slurs. He does it eloquently, so it's all ok.

David, I have no intention of "throwing our racial slurs". You throw them quite well enough, thank you.

"Bob has no problems blaming women for getting killed". Only where their choices and actions contributed to it. Would you deny a woman stepping out in front of a speeding semi-trailer should have some "blame" for her demise? Marrying a violent killer certainly does come with some responsibility.

Woman have been empowered in our society as in no other society in history. I believe it's insulting to them to absolve them from the consequences of their decisions, They're bright and able, as are most men.

Sometimes both genders make bad decisions. It's societies' role to inform them of possible mistakes before they make them so they can't say "I didn't know".

You're quite welcome Bob, but no I haven't. Way to go comparing a women getting killed in an accident by a speeding the bus the same as it being her fault because her husban stabbed her to death. Keep them coming. You are doing a brilliant job just proving my points. Oh and don't forget, you also said it wasn't only the woman's decision, but partly Obama's and illegal immigrants faults as well for her demise... Pricless!

alcohol served + baby momma drama + cap tilted the wrong way + declined link card = IT'S ON!

Thanks, JJR.

Mora,
There is actually a difference between communism and fascism. Radical groups/leaders of different ideologies may use similar tactics and commit similar crimes. Their leaders may even be genocidal maniacs, but that doesn't make the ideologies identical. By your logic, all religious or cult terrorists are Christians, including the 9/11 terrorists, because Christians have used terrorism to get their points across.

Fascism seeks to unite everyone as a single national identity by connecting ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state. (Kind of like how Walker wanted to dismantle the unions and make Wisconsin red all the way through or how Hitler wanted to kill everyone who didn't fit into the national identity he envisioned).

Communism also seeks a one-party state, but instead of a single national identity, communism's ideal is to remove oppression and abolish financial inequalities and social classes. Obviously, they're both unfeasible (or, at the very least, undesirable to most reasonable people).

Violence is unacceptable, regardless of what philosophy the perpetrators subscribe to.

Denise Du Vernay,
There is debate in academia about any real differences between communism and fascism, both rely on central power. Ernst Nolte has proven, quite clearly, that fascism and communism are the same. Both are focused on the State, as opposed to a heritage form of government such as a monarcy which is based on the family. Ernst Nolte is a German historian and philosopher. Nolte’s major interest is the comparative studies of Fascism and Communism. Originally trained in philosophy, he is Professor Emeritus of Modern History at the Free University of Berlin, where he taught from 1973 until his 1991 retirement. He was previously a Professor at the University of Marburg from 1965 to 1973.

Communism was about destroying the Bourgeoise, which at the time Marx was writing was 90% White race. Marx wrote in his The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte, III, 1852, that "We speak of two interests of the bourgeoisie, for large landed property, despite its feudal coquetry and pride of race, has been rendered thoroughly bourgeois by the development of modern society.". There it is, Denise Du Vernay, the Bourgeoisie having "pride of race".

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ch03.htm

Marx and Marxism is in fact racist. Marx wrote that the Bourgeois class [which were White race at the time] had what he called "pride of race", and must be exterminated.

There is no excuse for neo-Marxist communist violence in our community.

White Irish Heritage,
I agree that there's no excuse for "neo-Marxist communist violence in our community." There is also no place for "pride of race" and the negativity, violence, stereotyping, misplaced anger, and blame & oppression of other races that accompanies such "pride."

"Kind of like how Walker wanted to dismantle the unions and make Wisconsin red all the way through or how Hitler wanted to kill everyone who didn't fit into the national identity he envisioned)". Huh? Anyone wishing to protect the people against union bullies and wants to convince his fellow citizens to follow the path to freedom from Democratic oppression and into prosperity is somehow a "fascist"? Wow! Time to reread "1984", Denise, and get your liberal stretches into perspective. We speak "American" here, not "newspeak"!

You've got communism all wrong, Denise. I suggest you reread "Das Kapital" and other writings of Marx and Engles. In true communism, there is no, or at least very weak, central government. All government is conducted at a local level in a "commune" style and there is a democracy, not a republic, in decision making. No one in the society "rules" the others and the economic system is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." It needs to work on the assumption that it is human nature is to work as hard as one can for the collective, regardless of reward, a concept clearly debunked by all psychological learning over the last 3 centuries, but on which liberals and Obamanians still want to base their economic and tax policies.

Strong and oppressive central governments are the antithesis of Marxism, so when Obama is called a "communist" it is incorrect. Tyrannical, dictatorial, statist, unfair, corrupt and oppressive perhaps, but communist? Definitely not!

"You're just obsessed with him [Obama}. (I don't blame you. Ever since "Let's Stay Together," I can't get him out of my mind, either)."

Ahhhh, now I get it! It's not his policies or leadership skills that makes you an Obama supporter, It HORMONES!

Actually, I've got to admit that I always thought Hillary Clinton was hot. I guess the heart wants what the heart wants!

I guess the difference is that liberals tend to think more with that "thrill up their leg" to quote that MSNBC hack, instead of reasoned politcal thoguht processes!

"1st Amendment Civil Rights violation also occurred...Federal Civil Rights were violated"

They were? Really? Did you read the First Amendment?

Baba Wawa, clearly you need to educate yourself on the First Ammendment, which is the Bill of Rights. First, no matter how unpopular someone's views are, the First Ammendment provides people the right to freely assemble and the right to free speech. The victims here were clearly engaged in exercising both those rights, and the leftist, racist thugs from Indian who attacked them deprived them of that right by physically attacking them and denying them that opportunity.

That's a pretty clear violation of their civil rights, and if AG Holder and Obama ghad any respect for the Constitution and the rule of law, such charges would already be filed. You can bet that if the victims were African American or Hispanic the charges would've been filed before the ink on the releases papers was dry.

I guess we should ammend the Pledge of Allegiance under Obama to read"...with freedom and priviledge [strike out "justice for all"] for those whom the President likes (and contribute to his campaign)"

Bob,
You're an idiot. Yes, they freely assembled -- to eat lunch. They were attacked by a group and five people from that group were charged with mob action, battery, criminal damage to property.

Pull your head out of your large intestine. This isn't nor will it be a federal case. Their next court date is June 12 in Bridgeview -- a state courthouse.

Bababouie, clearly I'm not dealing with mental giant here, so I'll write this VERRRRYYYY slowly so that you can understand.

When a political group assembles to discuss strategy and political issues, they often serve refreshments and have a meal. I know that's difficult to understand for someone who likely would have a tough time digesting and thinking at the same time (or at all), but that's how it works.

I agree this won't be a Federal case, not for lack of merit but for lack of honest Federal prosecutors from the DOJ.

Regarding your suggested anatomically impossible condition, I thank you for your concern, if not biological knowledge.

I assure you that my head is on my shoulders where it belongs, breathing the free air (at least until the EPA and Obama decide to prevent us from exhaling carbon dioxide which they have labelled a "pollutant").

Since you apparently are interested in anatomical impossiblities, I suggest you go and F yourself. Lord knows from what I read here from you no one else would want to!

White Irish Heritage,
The First Amendment protects freedom of speech and right to assembly, yes, but you're forgetting an important part, the "Congress shall make no law" part. I wasn't there, but I don't think Congress entered the restaurant, quickly passed a bill that the group wasn't allowed to assemble there, and then waved in the attackers and told them to do their worst.

And, once again Bob, what the fun does the President have to do with this? Oh, that's right, nothing. You're just obsessed with him. (I don't blame you. Ever since "Let's Stay Together," I can't get him out of my mind, either).

Actually, Denise, you're right regarding the Constitution creating the limitations on government rather than citizens. Where this became an issue making it a crime for INDIVIDUALS to deprive other citizens of their rights to speech and assembly was in the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which most liberals forget was passed largely with Republican votes against Democratic objections. The Civil rights act made it a crime for individuals, corporations, and organizations to deny citizens the right to enjoy the freedoms in the Bill of Rights.

As far as Obama being brought into the conversation, the link was simple. How could one not immediately be reminded of Obama's quest to deprive us of individual rights and freedoms through his executive orders and regulatory fiat whenever violating rights is discussed?LOL

Yes, Bob, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was all thanks to Republicans, conceived by the most famous and fabulous Republican of all time, President John F. Kennedy. You betcha, Bob.

(And certainly you do realize that there is no comparison between the Republican Party of today and the Republican Party of 50 years ago, right? Just checking.)

I know this will come as a shock to you, Denise, but JFK was no longer with us when the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed. It was primarily muscled through by Barry Goldwater of Arizona, with help of arm twisting from President Johnson as he was ramping up to escalate the Viet Nam War. JFK DID support the bill, however, and his demise made no small impact on passing the legislation.

Of COURSE there is a difference between the GOP of 1964 and 2012, as there is in just about EVERY facet of our lives. There were far fewer "RINOs" in the party then,and there was consistency in the belief of the intent of the Consititution and the protection of individual freedom and liberty.

I think you'd have to agree that the biggest changes in principles came from the Dems since that time.

Fiscal conservatives were allowed in the Democratic party then, and people like Patrick Moynahan of New York were still able to promote fiscal prudency. A Dem could oppose abortion on demand and still have the support and respect of the party.

JFK understood that tax cuts would stimulate the economy and increase revenues, unlike ANY current Dem.

Of course, the type of racism inherent in the Democratic party has shifted. Back then, there were white supremicists like KKK member Robert Byrd (WVa) spewing their corrupt racism, and now black supremicists like Maxine Waters and former gang terrorists like Bobby Rush lead the Democratic party.

Bob, Supporting a bill and calling for its legislation are not the same thing. Kennedy called for the legislation.

Funny that in your romanticized descriptions of the past, you casually ignore the fact that Goldwater would be called a RINO today.

Also, and this may come as a shock to you, but Rush and Waters don't lead the Democratic party. There's this man named Barack Obama whose role of leadership in the Democratic party is a teeny bit more substantial. And a dude named Biden (sigh) and a woman you don't want to piss off called Nancy Pelosi. They've been all over the news for several years (Pelosi for decades, actually). You might want to familiarize yourself with them.

Actually, Denise, if you think Barry is really the "leader" here, you really are delusional. If you REALLY want to know who runs the Democratic Party, it's more the people in the shadows than the spotlight. Does George Soros ring any bells for you? Barry reads the teleprompter, takes the family on extravagant vacations at taxpayer expense, shows up at fundraisers, and that's about it. If you'd ever met him as I have, you'd know this guy is no "mastermind", he's an opportunist and someone elses flunky. That's certainly not a unique situation, as W comes to mind.

As far as Goldwater being a "RINO", I believe he once said, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice". RINO? Riiiiiight!LOL

Oh, and I have heard of this Barb "we have to pass Obamacare to see what's in it" Pelosi gal and Joe "foot in mouth" Biden. If you think that Pelosi really has power after she lost the House by HUGE margins and she got the Minority leader spot without those big money shadow "sponsors" operating her, you're truly naive.

At least Dems don't support people from racist hate organizations like the KKK anymore, right? OOOps, I forgot about the recent Nation of Islam racist that Guv Quinn tried to put in charge of an Illinois "Equal Opportunity" Department, but the GA was smart enough to reject.

The more things change.......

Bob- speaking of 'free' air...not so fast. Imagine one day, we are like Australia and this happens:

Australians Face Huge Fines For Speaking Ill Of New Carbon Tax

"Obama’s support for Australia’s carbon tax is unsurprising given the fact that he was “instrumental in developing and launching the privately-owned Chicago Climate Exchange” via millions of dollars in donations from the Joyce Foundation, with whom Obama served as a director."
oopsie. off topic-ish. me bad.

http://www.infowars.com/australians-face-huge-fines-for-speaking-ill-of-new-carbon-tax/

Bob,
Name as many pro gay rights or pro choice Republicans as you can. I'll wait . . .
How many did you get? Just Meghan McCain, right? And she's not even a politician. And how often is she called a RINO? That's right, constantly.
Have a nice day.

White Rabbit,
Some of my best friends are white people. White people most certainly have a right to exist. I don't pretend that white people don't exist, I swear. Many of my college professors were white people, and they certainly didn't teach to me to pretend white people don't exist.

Also, since you seem concerned, I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party.

You're ignoring all of the questions I asked you previously. I'd still like answers to understand where you're coming from, but I'm mainly concerned with this one: "What is 'white heritage'?" You can't answer that question, of course, because there is no such thing. Pride about "white heritage" is actually pride over skin color, and being proud of skin color is pretty silly.

Sidenote: Why are you STILL capitalizing "white" but not "black"? The words are colors. They're adjectives. Neither are proper nouns or proper adjectives.

"So when you side with Marx, you side with Lenin, and you side with genocide."

Apart from the logical fallacy in play here, I've got to ask: Who is siding with Marx? Who is siding with Lenin? Who is siding with genocide? Um, cuz it's not me, nor is it anyone I've seen post on this thread.
(And by the way, I think you're confusing Lenin with Stalin. Hey, it happens.)

What you're saying makes perfect sense! And you know what? I have a cat. Hemingway had cats. I must be a famous short story writer and novelist. May as well move to Idaho.

Anthony, they don't make jury selection from the voter rolls anymore in Illinois. They come from "resident" lists.

They'll get you from driver's licenses and state ID cards.

The difference, of course, is that anyone is welcome to join the AJC and the NAACP.

There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of organizations in the United States whose organizing principle is ethnicity, many of which are European, e.g., the The French-American Foundation, the German-American National Congress, the American Institute of Polish Culture, Netherlands American Society, and even the Irish American Bar Association.

Organizations based merely on whiteness are problematic because white is a skin color, not a culture, religion, heritage, or ethnicity. There is no white culture. There is no shared white heritage. Organizations based on whiteness are not intended to celebrate a propensity for sunburn, a love of Diet Coke (or whatever it is that white people have a fondness for); rather, such groups are created to exclude those who are nonwhite and to emphasize difference. There's a difference between a European heritage group and the American-Scandinavian Foundation . You know it, I know it, the American people know it. Shoot, even Bob knows it.

Anyone can join WN groups as well. Or the French National Front, or the BNP. The point of the American Jewish Congress or the Black Women for Obama groups is they are led by, and have an interest in, supporting a specific race.

Denise Du Vernay,
You have said "There is no white culture." . Culture gains an identity by the people who create it. So if White Europeans created what is known as Classical Music, with it's accompanying works, it is related to that race of people. Culture does migrate and invaders to take it over, the Roman Empire saw much of this, however there does retain the principle of authorship.

The Race that authored the artwork or genre, owns that creative title and ouvre. It would violate UN Human Rights law to take away the right of a specific group's authorship.

Thanks for explaining the difference between black and white, Bob Lewis. And thanks also for listing some countries in Africa and then explaining that Africa isn't Australia--very enlightening indeed. But do you know what might be kind of cool? If you responded to something I actually wrote in my post. Or if you responded to something anyone else wrote in this thread. This rant of yours, while super neato, has nothing to do with my post and it has nothing to do with this article.

please stop, please.

You've already answered your own question in your post, Bob Lewis. Maybe you need to look over what you wrote.

Bob Lewis,
I don't know what missteps you're referring to, but I do know that you've ignored most relevant points made by many people on this thread that inconveniently don't fit into your narrow view. You've tried to suggest that my comment: "White is a skin color, not a culture, religion, heritage, or ethnicity. There is no white culture" should be applied to African-Americans as well, but that's simply not true. Your previous post explained why it's impossible when you discussed how most African-American and European-American emigration and Americanization experiences are vastly different (slavery vs. choice). Hence, they cannot generally be described in the same terms. That is what I meant by "you answered your own question."

That's not what my comment says. I reread it to ensure that the misunderstanding is on your end and not the fault of my wording, and the wording is fine.

Apart from everything else that's wrong with what you're saying, I'll just point out the obvious: White people did not invent rock and roll.

I am in agreement with you. I have had the unfortunate intervention of her moronic rantings. She usually does not hold up in any type of rebuttal. She will "quote" many of the other posters, thinking and probably hoping you are not familiar with a certain comment or analogy. Her "views" are plagiarized in many of her "comments".

And like you posted, it is difficult to say you are proud to be White, without the unfounded and biased rant that you are a racist for openly being proud to admit to such.
We could not start a White College Fund without the immediate attack of the biased media that has plagued and badgered our nation since the first affirmative action ?president? was put in place.
Our nation needs a President that we can once again be proud to call our President! A man or woman who will lead us ethically and morally in the right direction our forefathers intended us to travel.
May God bless our nation. I say this with White Pride NOT, white supremacy.
Bless our White Forefathers and the intuitiveness they saw that made our nation a nation of free people, regardless of skin color, race, or religion, or lack there of.

USMC Semper Fi!

Dennis Miller how has this president not "led us ethically and morally in the right direction" (Happy Memorial Day BTW)? I truly can't wait for your answer. Make it good, we're having a lot of people over today and we need a good laugh! Don't let me down!!

Well Billable, I do have to take Snipers position on this. It was our forefathers who made sure to to write into the constitution that owning people was illegal, letting blacks, women, and the poor to vote would be allowed and protected.... Prior to this biased, lame stream media taking over, I swear I remember seeing footage of George Washington and Ben Franklin talking about it at a mixer. Here is the transcript I "googled", just so no one thinks I plagerized.
(GW) "Yo BF! what is up with this crazy ass slavery thing!"
(BF)I know right! G, seriously. We need to do something about this and why we all hating on the women.
(GW) Dude, tell me about it. Martha is PISSED!
(Hancock) What's up Bro's? Check this out. Wrote me my first article for the constitution. "Bless our White Forefathers and the intuitiveness they saw that made our nation a nation of free people, regardless of skin color, race, or religion, or lack there of."
(GW) Wait, what? Like as in today?
(Hancock) No, I was thinking like 1964.