Heilmann Responds to Charges in Legal Report
Mayor offers "observations" as defense against legal report that casts him in unflattering light.
In response to the Godfrey and Kahn probe into the former village attorney now known as Tressler LLP, Mayor Dave Heilmann offered his own 46-page document of "observations" responding to some of legal report's findings.
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Last week, Heilmann blasted Godfrey and Kahn attorney Eric Wilson for leaving out a federal grand jury subpeona served on the village last year requesting all documents and records pertaining to the hiriing of Querrey and Harrow.
The firm replaced Tressler after some board members raised concerns over the village’s tripling legal fees, leaving some question of whether village had allegedly been double-billed by its village counsel.
The village settled with Tressler for $500,000 in April.
Heilmann says he has no idea who alerted the U.S. Attorney, except for that "there was a lot of back and forth at public meetings. The FBI and feds are not stupid. There are public corruption units that look for this. I doubt it was that hard for them to pick up."
Earlier this summer, the mayor said he had offered his "observations" after the final legal report had been delivered to the village board, despite the report still being under a confidentiality agreement that would have penalized the Oak Lawn taxpayers $50,000 if publicly divulged.
The Godfrey and Kahn Report was released under the Freedom of Information Act after Tressler releaed itself of financial responsibility for fighting an appeal. Oak Lawn Patch has posted all five parts of the completed report.
In his observations, Heilmann, who is up for reelection as mayor next April, told Godfrey and Kahn attorneys that the village had originally sought to hire Moss and Bloomberg as its village attorney in 2005, which at that time had merged with Tressler.
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The mayor’s community theater partner and attorney friend, Norm Chimenti, who had been hired around the same time to serve as the village’s “special legal counsel,” had suggested hiring Moss and Bloomberg.
“I agreed and recommended hiring Tressler after discussions with Mr. Chimenti and researching Moss and Bloomberg,” Heilmann states.
Heilmann said that Oak Lawn trustees were sent a letter dated Oct. 12, 2005, informing them that he had hired Barry Moss and Tressler to serve as the village attorney and that “no one objected.”
The fact that Bob Heyne, a boyhood friend of the mayor’s, worked at Tressler was “total coincidence.”
Confronted by Godfrey and Kahn that his explanation of Chimenti finding attorney Barry Moss “totally on his own” was not credible, a defiant Heilmann responds:
“I was there and truthfully informed Godfrey and Kahn what took place. If seven years later you want to say you don’t believe that, I guess you can have your opinion.
“I do question the use of public funds to pay an out of state law firm to render judgment on who they believe or not when they weren’t around to witness anything … That doesn’t see a prudent use of tax dollars.”
The mayor also offers background into his role in negotiating Tressler’s $21,000 monthly retainer. According to Heilmann, it was Moss who proposed the retainer fee to the village board to save the village 10 percent on its legal bills—not the mayor, as some village board members, notably Trustee Tom Phelan (Dist. 6), have eluded.
Heilmann has ripped the report as “biased” because of lead Godfrey and Kahn attorney Wilson’s past relationship with Phelan, who were both in the same college fraternity at University of Illinois.
Phelan, who is two years older than Wilson, has stated that both were in different pledge classes. They knew each other only in passing because they went their own groups.
Read the mayor's document.
OakLawnGuy
7:08 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Let the recalcitrant comments begin! I'm not sure which is more emotionally polarizing, this race or Romney/Obama.
coinky-dink
1:45 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Our mayor thinks it was a "total coincidence" that his childhood and close family friend of Erica Heilmann just so happens to work at the firm that granted us $500,000 in a settlement? Nothing could be more of a coinky-dink. Cmon really?
QC
5:01 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
coinky dink
Anything like Your coincidences Surrounding the hiring of Querry & Harrow with a $550,000.00 No-Bid contract? Or the execution of Madigans "Reccommendations" and his support for the "Fundraiser" for Bob Streit? And More reccommendations for other Attorneys for Bond work etc.? And how about that coinky dink that the 111th st project is being done by Madigan's Clients, Hamilton Partners? And Gosh, why did K-5 (the street re-surfacing co.) get a No-Bid $5,000,000.00 contract?
This is certainly MORE of a coinky-dink. Come on.
vote
9:52 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Man Dave/QC you are touchy tonight, did coinky hit a nerve of truth??
coinky-dink
7:03 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Erica Heilmanns connection to Bob Heyne is significant. Since we pay your health insurance and medical bills QC why don't you thank us for you psychiatric care?
Rich
9:29 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Too little, too late Dave. You are not smarter than everyone else, you just think so. How about trying to go out with a little class. Give the people of Oak Lawn two real candidates next year. You are already a lame duck with absolutely no chance of winning in 2013. Take your ball and go home like the spoiled brat you are portraying youself out to be.
#1 Disgusted Resident
1:27 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Looks like a nerve was hit, Rich !! You are describing the Trustee in the 6th district to a T. He and several board members need to be shown the door, balls included, ASAP.
Jonathan Barker
11:35 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Is it possible that Phelan thinks that if he beats on the mayor enough, the mayor will step down and Phelan would run against Bury? Is he just using her?
OLChick
10:20 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Speak for yourself Rich. Dave has my vote over the Thug Queen. That would be putting Phelan's puppet at the head of the table.
Rich
3:40 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Sounds like Dave has a few " puppets " out there too. Keep dancing OL Chick.
QC
5:04 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Hey Rich
Does Wacchovia know that you spend all of your time on the Patch? You should be taking some....brush up courses on Finance,actually
vote
9:53 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
QC/Dave you blogging from claussen miller??
2nd
10:36 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
I can never tell whether Dave is acting or being real. I'm beginning to think he's ALWAYS acting and I don't like his character. I'm voting the entire Village board OUT in April.
Raising the bar
10:46 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
good idea. the langugae used in some of these e-mails shows an unbelievable lack of judgment by our elected officials. I hope they don't all act this way
OakLawnGuy
10:51 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Really, though, that doesn't apply to just about anyone running for public office?
Raising the bar
11:22 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Maybe others have the good sense not to use f... or bulls... in e-mails!
SmallManBigWoman
11:34 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
f-bombs show a lack of imagination
OakLawnGuy
11:37 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Then the vast majority of the board is unimaginative. I've heard it first hand, and Mr Olejniczak was captured on tape at the end of a recent meeting. Seriously, the language thing, it's completely irrelevant.
2nd
7:44 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
OakLawnGuy,
Language is NOT irrelevant. Cursing shows lack of intelligence and vocabulary. There are many people, myself included, who manage to hold very intelligent conversations and never curse. As for Dave's acting abilities, maybe he's good in Oak Lawn Park District theater with his other actor/attorney cronies, but I've had it with his two-faced, phony smiley face, glad-handing act. He's a hypocrite of the highest order. He and the entire board AND that creepy, arrogant Village Manager HAVE GOT TO GO!
James Manning
11:21 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Man, is this the best Oak Lawn has?? A mayor who blames everyone else for his mistakes.a village board that constantly bickers and can't agree on anything,apathy and distrust from the voters. Is it any wonder we can not get credible candidates to run for office?? Can we vote for none of the above in April??
SmallManBigWoman
11:45 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
I think the board bickers because they won't let the king get away with his tricks anymore - and then he retaliates - and then they won't let him - and then he gets mad and finds a new way to get em - and then they won't let him do that - etc. etc. etc.
In the mean time nothing good in Oak Lawn gets done. The king should find a nice excuse to step down - family needs him for example - and let Oak Lawn return to the great place it should be and could be without his morally bankrupt leadership.
Brad
1:37 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
I agrre with small manbig woman. The board seemed to work together much better before it all hit the fan in 2009. I believe the village has some good representation with all current trustees, except for maybe Cindy, only because her body of work is small up to this point. New leadership at the top will make a big difference in my opinion. Also having someone who is more than part time would help too. And to clarify, this is not an endorsement of Dr. Bury. She has not shown me anything that would make me believe she is the answer. She has helped show, in my opinion, that the current mayor is not the right man for the job anymore. but has not shown anything that she is the correct replacement.
Quiet Neighbor
11:39 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
The animosity shown in some of the comments must be displaced anger that this isn't really the catastrophe that it was painted to be by Dr. Bury? It was little things over years and years that compounded on itself, nobody possibly conspiring over that length of time, nobody can agree with anyone that long. Mayor Heilmann does bring up key points and logical explanations that I believe are ignored by the angry mob that Dr. Bury is relying on to get his seat. It is blatantly obvious that many people don't care what the Mayor says, he will be wrong. Even if the village could get more money the lawyers would take more and would still be a wash. There was no possible happy outcome once the lawsuit started, I do believe that beating on Tressler for refunds (which wasn't done) would have gotten more for less. The angry mob blames Mayor Heilmann for everything yet also say that the Mayor has no real power, that's the managers job yet nobody calls for his head. The Mayor is to blame for everything yet rarely has break a tie. I agree with a lot of the legal positions he took and understand why it changed midstream as circumstances changed. He even advised the board that they were toying with potential criminal action and voila there's a federal investigation, sound advice. For those that say things would have happened by now, in actuality they have the entire statute of limitations to investigate and have no need to rush so until that runs out it is a point of concern.
SmallManBigWoman
1:39 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
"I do believe that beating on Tressler for refunds (which wasn't done) would have gotten more for less." - Dude, they gave Oak Lawn back $500,000 and it would have been seven figures if Heilmann didn't tamper with a key witness.
Quiet Neighbor
3:30 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
SmallManBigWoman - if you have to spend 453k to get 470k you didn't get anything. OK, 17k but collateral costs aren't included. Only the law firm(s) that fought the case MADE money. The Mayors statement saying that the Village opted not to aggressively go after the money firsthand like every other debt seems important because every dollar they got back doing it that way would have been money directly back to the Village. Even under the best of circumstances that G&K could dream up, I'd bet that the Village itself would have never seen 7 figures free and clear in the bank after everyone else had to get their cut. It doesn't matter if you win 4 billion if it costs you 3.999 billion to get it in the big picture.
Said witness, who many of the angry mob have said people hated her and ran her off and would have 0 loyalty to the Mayor, states that he didn't persuade her.
QC
5:10 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Quiet Neighbor
The animosity and Catastrophe were painted by jealously and envy on the part of Mr. Phelan and his gang. Ms. Bury was just naive enough to buy into their venom.
QC
4:40 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Brad
"The board seemed to work together much better before it all hit the fan in 2009."
That's when they got their orders from MM, downstate, to dump Tressler and Hire Querry & Harrow and his friends Paul O'Grady et al. So you see they had to come up with a reason to fire Tressler. That's why Phelan had LD hire:
Odelson - Bro. Rice Board w/ Tom $10,477.00
Querry & Harrow - Madigan and Phelan $6,392.00
Godfrey & Kahn- Phelan possibly MM $453,541.00
(for approximately 1 yr. of work, that had been done 1 or 2 times before, and.... for which Tom Phelan had done all of the digging of any dirt and handed it to Odelson!Odelson's report was used for G&K's report too)
BTW + an extra 25,000 for the written report =$478,571.00.
PS
The Mayoral position IS Part-Time.
Rich
4:19 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
I would not call it an angry mob.
It's a bunch of disgruntled, disappointed tax paying citizens of Oak Lawn.
James Manning
12:50 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Hey Quiet don't you mean that The King actually went to the feds to get something on the board and guess what nothing has happened. You and the rest of the Dave apologists can say nothing was wrong in the Godfrey and Kahn report but if there wasn't why are all of you commenting so strongly that nothing was in the report,or you blame trustees and the village manager,who the Mayor doesn't not like?? If you read the report The Mayor states " I am in control of the Villages Legal affairs" The Mayor can not have it both ways either. By the way the Mayor has been breaking a lot of tie votes lately, so he does have a record. Thanks for your legal opinion on the statue of limitations, I feel even more sure that nothing will happen with the feds..
Quiet Neighbor
3:57 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
I think that there were a number of things that came out of the G&K report that will be worthwhile to the Village in terms of things that can be fixed now to prevent future mistakes or missteps in lawsuits against the Village. There were plenty of things that could be called "wrong" in that report. What I was saying is that it seems to me that there's a group of passionate posters who defend the Dr. Bury (notice respectful name) position that these reports are catastrophic and is all the Mayors fault while at the same time blowing off a serious potential criminal charge much like you did. My comments are my opinion, and aren't driven by emotion nor are they to defend the Mayor. I don't have to defend him, he does just fine. I would like to allow people to hear my perspective and think hard about what is actually in the reports that isn't very similar to what can and does happen in any large business anywhere. Miscommunication, adapting to circumstances, assumptions, etc. While those things bit the Village in the rear, changing the players probably wouldn't have changed the game. The insurance issue wasn't the mayor's fault, and I believe that Mr. Phelan attended the 3rd party biller meetings not the Mayor. When *I* peel back the onion, I don't see conspiracy or blatant disregard. I do see that there are areas for improvement regarding accounting reporting and some needed solidarity amongst those who all want basically the same things. I said what I meant to say.
QC
8:44 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
James,
On what page of the repot and which submission, ie. Pt 1A, pg #?
Get Real
8:53 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
QC GordonKarr needs you go back to work.
Homegrown in OL
1:23 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
James Manning, you have no idea how the Feds work. If you think their investigation is over, I would say you are sadly mistaken. They are taking their time and building their case. As much as I dislike Heilmann, he is right about what he is saying. Phelan will go down for this along with his actions with Fall on the Green. You claim Heilmann went to the Feds; what about Phelan wasting almost $500,000.00 on this stupid report with his friend to get Heilmann? Nothing has been done by either of these two elected officials that was in the best interest of the Village of Oak Lawn.
Melissa
1:09 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
I totally agree with Quiet Neighbor. Dave has my vote too...he can beat Dr. Bury and he needs to bring some worthy opponents to the table to replace Phelan and Ole. Phelan is the one trying to cover up his dirty laundry. Dave is not the bad guy and has tried to bring order to a rogue board. Ole-not professional to drop f bombs at any village meeting, especially those that are televised and I could careless that you enjoy margaritas (stated on another televised meeting a few years back). I am fairly confident the Feds are still watching and probing where necessary.
#1 Disgusted Resident
1:30 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
I concur. Dave has my vote along with all of neighbors.
Brad
1:48 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Melissa, you certainly have a right to your opinion. But I do not agree that Phelan has been the one to cover up his dirty laundry. To me I read as his laundry has been sitting out on the clothesline this whole time. Where is the cover up? Unless I missed something all emails/correspondence has been provided by him. It is the mayor's emails between him and Tressler that have disappeared. Phelan does appear to be gruff. But where has he done something that hurt the village? Who has he hired or recommended that has cost the taxpayers money? What programs or new business has he championed that has cost the village? Fall on the Green under his watch blossomed into a huge money maker. Add in the "free beer" tickets for sake of argument and it still is a huge huge success. To me the mayor has a huge black mark due to his friends costing the village a lot of money. I do not see the same type of black marks against others.
OakLawnGuy
2:00 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Once you get Federal attention (ie, the ongoing current investigation), their eyes never stray off you very far.
Melissa
3:27 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Isn't it Phelans friends who ate away most of the funds that Tressler is refunding to the Village? G&K didnt tell us much more than Odelson did. Isn't it Phelan who worked to get Q&H assigned as the village attorney's? Isn't this what is being investigated by the Feds? Stop giving Dave the credit for Gale Paul not talking with G&K...what power does he have that made this person not speak with G&K? Phelan helped to create this rogue board by becoming disgruntled because his actions were under the microscope...as he would say..smoke and mirrors, deflect, etc....Dave can shoulder some of the heat however his opponent Dr Bury is not our savior...she has no platform other than this legal crap that is getting out of hand. Let's move on already.
SmallManBigWoman
7:22 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Melissa: Please read the report. You have it all twisted. Ms. Paul’s talking to or not wanting to talk to G & K had nothing to do with this.
Mayor Heilmann presided over a closed meeting to discuss strategy to recoup losses for the Village. They were going for $1.9 MILLION dollars in damages just on this one case. After the meeting, Heilmann called his friends at Tressler to tip them off – even though he clearly knew as an experienced litigation attorney that it was inappropriate and damaging to the Village’s case to do so. Heilmann admits this. It hurt the Village’s case. It hurt the taxpayers because it took away the Village’s leverage. This was their largest claim against Tressler.
Heilmann clearly tampered with a key witness to hurt the Village, to hurt the taxpayers and help his friends. It doesn’t get any plainer than that. The Board wasn’t acting to screw the taxpayers and try to cover it up. Heilmann was.
He should resign in shame. It’s disgusting behavior for our Mayor. And it’s true – in black and white. Go read it before you slander others.
vote
4:05 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Thanks for your unbiased opinion Melissa ie. Dave fan. The deflect and blame lines were copyrighted by me, Phelan can't use them!!! Keep hoping the feds come cause that's the only thing Dave has. Vote for me my guys only paid $500,000 to the village?? Now we can move on already.
SmallManBigWoman
5:19 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
QC/Dave - your posts make no sense - they are like deranged ramblings. tell us in your own words. we already know you can cut and paste. speak your own mind.
QC
5:32 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Tom/andy
You two share the deflect and blame lines.
andy skoundrianos
3:27 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
“ First rule in politics.. when you are in trouble blame everyone else..”
andy skoundrianos
11:12 pm on Tuesday, April 24, 2012
Once again I will state those articles prove NOTHING. Where are the investigations?? The FBI?
Be careful what you ask for:
The federal subpoena asks for all records related to hiring of current village legal counsel, Querrey and Harrow, from 2009.
By Lorraine Swanson
Email the author
August 23, 2011
Federal prosecutors are looking into the events surrounding Oak Lawn's use of village attorneys, Oak Lawn Patch has learned.
An attorney representing the Village of Oak Lawn has confirmed that the U.S. Attorney’s office served the village with a federal grand jury subpoena.
Eric Wilson, of Godfrey and Kahn in Madison, Wis., who is leading the investigation into possible overbillings and malpractice by the village’s former legal counsel, said the village was served with the federal subpoena on June 24.
andy skoundrianos
10:48 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
QC, once again I post under my own name and picture. If Tom Phelan posts on here that's his business. How do I share lines with anyone?? Those quotes of mine are my words nobody else. I haven't even posted in a week. The investigation by the FBI means nothing until someone is charged with something. You are hiding your identity for some reason, I do not I usually use the term smoke and mirrors but some other people may use it too. I really don't care
Melissa
7:56 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Not trying to slander anyone here. How do you loose leverage for "recouping" $1.9 million? Surely not by one "tipoff" phone call. Also, the bills were approved by the Board and the third party reviewer/payer. The process was flawed and each Board member as well as the Village Manager have some degree of accountability. Damages in this case seem to have diminishing returns. Bottom line is that contract and payment policies need to be reviewed and changed. While this saga continues the tax payers still have not heard where Dr Bury stands on other issues and what exactly she will do to change anything...her campaign began the day she announced she was running for Mayor...so far her campaign is lacking substance and is all about this legal fee issue that the entire Board should be blamed because they allowed the bills to be paid.
SmallManBigWoman
8:21 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Melissa, please read the report and don't just spit back what Heilmann is telling you to. The report shows how it happened. Truly his one phone to tamper with a witness call cost taxpayers $1.8 million in leverage.
As far as the billing goes, that's in the report too. It turns out what was reported to the board was actually a small percentage of what the legal bills actually were. It seems there was a dual accounting system that hid the actual legal costs from the board. Read it. Black and white.
As far as what Dr. Bury stands for, we have yet to hear Heilmann's platform either. He doesn't even have a website up or any position - he's too busy trying to make this incriminating document look like it's about someone else. Rumor is that his lack of campaign so far means that he is ready to resign.
QC
5:13 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Report: Oak Lawn negligent in tracking fees
BY BOB RAKOW Correspondent September 12, 2012 11:38PM
****Oak Lawn officials were negligent in tracking legal fees***** charged by its former law firm, which along with the village’s special legal counsel also made a variety of mistakes and did a poor job communicating with village officials while they represented Oak Lawn from 2005-09, according to a report released Wednesday.
*******The report also suggests village board members had the opportunity to inspect legal bills paid through CCMSI before approving them,***** and there was no evidence that anyone from Tressler, CCMSI or the village purposely misled the board about attorney fees.*****
Much of what is included in the report first was uncovered in a previous report**** (compiled by Tom Phelan)*** for Evergreen Park-based attorney Burton Odelson.**** (For $10,477.00. BUT Trustee Phelan wanted more, “wanted his head on a silver platter”)****
QC
5:14 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
The report also said the* ****village’s method of tracking legal fees***** prevented the village board from having the necessary information needed to monitor costs. ******The system ***recorded legal fees in two budget categories****: legal services and administrative services.
“Thus, when the finance director submitted budget updates to the board throughout the year, it looked like legal fees were actually on budget when in reality they were over budget,” the report said.*******
*****Additionally, trustees saw only legal invoices paid directly by the village, although ***they had the opportunity to inspect legal bills paid through CCMSI.*** Board members were not misled about the billing, the report said.********
******“The finance department simply stuck with a system that it had been using for years without complaint. And the checks and balances that should have been in place did not do the job,” the report said. “In the end, to say the least, the board had imperfect information.”***** (Isn’t this Phelan’s department, with Him being the Chairman of the Finance Committee???)*****
QC
5:17 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
This is what $500,000.00 got us for a Political Witch Hunt led by a Rabid Trustee:
The report makes several recommendations designed to improve transparency and track legal expenses. #1. ****It suggests village officials understand their respective roles, recommends that the village track all legal fees in a single budget category, and says the board should review and authorize legal invoices.**** Wouldn’t this qualify as Accounting #101??? #2. The report also recommends that the village insist on written engagement agreements with legal counsel and hire a professional to manage litigation. ****“Neither the village manager nor the finance director has the time or the expertise to manage outside attorneys,” according to the report.*****
andy skoundrianos
10:41 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012 “This investigation was more about exposing corruption on the part of the Mayor and his hand-picked attorney's than just the money.”
BUT IT IS NOT POLITICAL????????
Scullywarden
10:37 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
The village method for tracking legal fees prevented the village board from tracking budgets?
Didn't prevent Jerry Hurckes from exposing this in 2009 did it Mr McGovern.
Huh.... Ohh yea.... He just made it all up!
vote
11:36 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
QC, relax we all know you think the report makes you look bad. Keep coming up with more nonsense and conspiracy theories. The more excuses you make the more guilty you look!!
QC
10:42 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Vote/Tom
You mean the more Truth and Facts that I put out there makes you look even worse.You can't stand hearing the Truth, can you? lol Go ahead and do your deflecting routine. You Look So Desparate on here. Accusations of "Conspiacy Theories" and stories Being "Nonsense" because they are True. Face it like a man, own it. You look evil, vindictive, bullying and Egotistical at the very Least, not Just Bad. Then again, being a nacissist You can't see it...but I will tell you.
Get Professional Help.
BTW, using a Village "Journal Watch on Psychiatry" subscription isn't getting the job done!!
QC
4:47 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012
vote aka Tom
The information for my Previous post came From Your Attorney Friend's Report. So for $500,000.00 ( Five Hundred Thousand Dollars ) You Consider the Report, Done By Your Friend's, "nonsense and conspiracy theories."? You're pathetic. What a piece of Work!!
vote
11:38 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Sticks and Stones QC Sticks and Stones
Homegrown in OL
1:41 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Vote,
Sticks and stones may not break Phelan's bones, but bars and padded cells will confine him!
vote
3:29 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
What is the obsession with Phelan?? We all know Dave hates him but this is getting a little strange?? Phelan is not the mayor or the manager, He didn't hire tressler,He didn't say I will run the villages legal affairs. He didn't interfere with potential witnesses Sorry my friend that's Daves mo Truth hurts......
whatsfairisfair
4:32 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
heres an article from hanania check it out
http://swnewsherald.com/hananiaprint-131.htm
vote
2:45 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012
Did you write that for Ray Dave?? I know you have in the past!!
Quiet Neighbor
3:50 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012
Vote, I really don't understand the enjoyment that you (and others have) posting and implying that people are alias names for the Mayor or others, that people are posting at his direction. I can't comprehend how it helps your cause either to be honest, it hurts credibility. It is a news article not Facebook or a video game forum. If you gave valid arguments and didn't stoop to attacking posters personally, accusing people of being elected officials, among other childish behaviors, people might actually be encouraged to voice their opinions, even debate in a healthy and adult manner. I've seen people accused of slandering and in the same post seeing the poster slander 2-3x in one sentence. Ray Hanania wrote a great article, was a refreshing perspective, he was open and stated that he likes the Mayor and the only respect given is the same dribble you used to post as "QC??" I've seen a few good comments on both sides of the debate, most of it clouded by insane rambling and name calling. Truthfully I'd rather see no ability to comment than to have to get emailed irrelevant, inaccurate, desperate posts. If his article went the opposite way would you be saying "Did you write that for Ray Sandy??" I didn't think so. Can we get a grip on reality? I think it would make the Patch comments a better place.
Thanks to Ray Hanania for the refreshing post and honest perspective and for whatsfairisfair for linking it.