Heilmann Reviewing ‘Observations’ from Legal Investigation
Mayor calls post-settlement report a waste of taxpayer funds. Questions pending final report's objectivity because of its ties to another Oak Lawn trustee in that it continues to criticize a friend who was once part of village's legal team.
Mayor Dave Heilmann gave a hint of what might be included in the second of two legal investigations into allegations that the former village attorney overbilled Oak Lawn taxpayers and botched major litigation.
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A final report that will most likely never be made public because of a confidentiality agreement tied to a $500,000 out-of-court settlement with Tressler, Soderstrom, Maloney and Preiss, will be submitted to the village board in early July.
The Oak Lawn Village Board voted unanimously in February to accept the settlement and a confidentiality agreement prohibiting village board members from speaking publicly about the terms and details of the investigation.
Wisconsin-based law firm Godfrey and Kahn, that touts white-collar investigations and defense as one of its areas of expertise, brokered the settlement with Tressler. Godfrey and Kahn were hired to conduct a second investigation following a legal audit by attorney Burt Odelson.
According to the mayor, he received “observations” from Godfrey and Kahn pertaining to him. Heilmann said that the village had to “go through hoops” to allow those mentioned in the report a chance to respond to criticisms and having those responses included as exhibits.
“[Godfrey and Kahn] wouldn’t give us the report to review and then get back with questions which is odd because we’re the client,” Heilmann said, a practicing attorney. “If it took the author of the report two months to draft something then allow someone two weeks to respond. What they were trying to do was give us one day.”
The mayor also questioned the report's objectivity, because Eric Wilson, the lead investigating attorney, is a former fraternity brother of Trustee Tom Phelan (Dist. 6).
Asked if he had concerns about any findings in the report, Heilmann said, “I personally have no apprehension of anything they want to say about anybody.”
Heilmann criticized “accusations” made in the observations against his friend, attorney and community theater-partner Norman Chimenti. He is now of counsel at the same law firm where the mayor is a partner at Clausen Miller.
Chimenti was hired as an “overseer” during most of Tressler’s watch as Oak Lawn’s village attorney between October 2005 and September 2009, before the Tressler was terminated because of mounting legal bills.
The mayor said that Wilson, the attorney leading the investigation, told the village board there was no misconduct that would cause a claim to be filed against Chimenti, whose role as the overseer for Tressler was criticized in the Odelson report.
“The direct statement from Mr. Wilson was they could not dream up a set of facts that would support a claim against Mr. Chimenti,” Heilmann said. “He was never part of the issues with Tressler. This person was repeatedly attacked and included solely because he was a friend of mine. He’s been maligned and dragged through this for years.”
Heilmann said that Chimenti wasn’t even questioned by the Godfrey and Kahn in their investigation of Tressler. Yet the “observations” criticize and question his hiring of Chimenti as a member of the village's legal team. He called the post-settlement report a waste of taxpayer funds.
“They’re writing about Mr. Chimenti in those [observations] and my recommending him and questions about his role,” Heilmann continued. “I would hire him again tomorrow. It really begs the motive behind something like that. These were issues specifically asked by specific board members to be looked at. You can’t use taxpayer funds to settle political disputes.”
Wilson said the final report would be in the village’s hands by July 8. He would not comment who else besides the mayor was provided with “observations.” Trustees are expected to vote on whether to convene a special executive session to hear the report, but with a divided village board and the mayor as the tie-breaking vote, that special meeting may not happen.
Heilmann has long maintained that he encouraged fellow village board members in 2010 to sit down and negotiate with Tressler to get $96,000 in outstanding fees waived without incurring additional legal fees.
The mayor also said that he was troubled by the $16,000 spent on legal costs to defend the village after it was served with a federal subpoena last year. The subpoena requested all materials related to the hiring of Querrey and Harrow, the firm that replaced Tressler.
Heilmann said that the federal investigation against the village was still ongoing.
“I’m frustrated,” he said. “The residents are being stuck with paying $16,000 to defend a criminal action and the residents didn’t do anything.”
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Sandra Bury
7:28 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
“[Godfrey and Kahn] wouldn’t give us the report to review and then get back with questions which is odd because we’re the client,” Heilmann said....
Oh Mayor Heilmann - how do you think the taxpayers feel? We’re the ones paying for the report that you have worked and wrangled to keep secret from us. Aren’t the taxpayers ultimately the client?
I’m also confused why Mayor Heilmann is already putting spin on this confidential report. Does he have sense that this confidentiality agreement will be not defensible when challenged? Does he have a feeling that the rights of the taxpayers and voters who pay the bills override the desire of elected officials to keep closed door meetings secret?
Sandra Bury
7:28 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Mayor Heilmann, the details of the hiring of Mr. Chementi should be public information. I submitted a Freedom of Information Act request for this information and was told that it was considered “private” and not subject to release. Why is that, Mr. Mayor? What is the motive behind something like that? I can not think of even one reason why this type of information should be hidden from the taxpayer and voter or considered private.
I believe that Mayor Heilmann is working very hard not to have an executive session about the report because it would be one more thing that he would have to defend and hide from the voters. The confidentiality agreement that was signed states the report is “to be provided and discussed in an Executive Session of the Village Board of Trustees.” Why does the Mayor want to go against what was already agreed on? Why is the Mayor working hard again to have the truth never be known?
The people have a right to know. What exactly is he working so hard to hide from us? It is almost to the point that the facts do not matter, because the convoluted and desperate actions of certain officials covering it up are the story now.
Dan W
9:45 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
The Freedom of Information Act sets forth very specific exemptions for a public body but the public body must cite the exemption when denying you the records. I don't know what exemption would be used to prevent you from seeing records related to the hiring of Chementi, unless no such public records exist since it was an appointment of an attorney. What are the records? His Resume?
If there are records, then the village has to cite an exemption for not providing the records. If they don't or you disagree, there is a procedure to appeal the decision. Get To Work!
the other shoe dropped
3:13 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
be quiet go bury yourself in self righteousness.
Doc Blinders On
9:34 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
What's up Doc?
How do you know what the confidentiality clause says?
Sandra Bury
3:31 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
http://oaklawn.patch.com/articles/village-spends-453k-to-settle-with-law-firm-for-470k
Read the pdf, my friend.
Oak Lawn Homegirl
11:24 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Can't we just get along? As a taxpayer I want to see more tax dollars coming into Oak Lawn which new businesses bring. All this bickering and bullying tactics does nothing to attract anyone or anything here, may even drive some away. In case none of the elected officials haven't read between the lines, we're tired of it. Time to move on!
Dr. Bury, who cares? If you want to be the next mayor, how about talking more about what you would do differently instead of dragging more negativity into the muddy waters. There was an investigation, the results are in. Case closed. Time to focus on being a productive and successful village and working on getting our property values up. Do you have any ideas to support this? Let's hear them. Otherwise let's all keep our finger pointing to a minimum....in case you didn't hear it above, we're tired of it.
Tom Smarz
11:31 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Agree with OL Homegirl. Didn't the Board agree on confidentiality?
"The Oak Lawn Village Board voted unanimously in February to accept the settlement and a confidentiality agreement prohibiting village board members from speaking publicly about the terms and details of the investigation."
OakLawnGuy
12:18 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
"Terms and details" is the key. Right or wrong, the Board can express opinions without getting into those details.
The hiring of Chimenti, as I understand it from all the articles in all sources I've seen, has been rolled into the settlement since it was germane to the suit. So, those terms will never see the light of day legally.
fred wiese
11:42 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I also agree with OLHg & Tom. With so many accusations happening I lost track of the fed looking at the village paper work of one of the law firms that looked at another law firm. Anything back from the feds? The doc knows maybe? I think that the doc should question the feds.
anthony
1:26 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Maybe its just me , but ever since that tv show the guy's personality has been a little bit overbearing
i wanted to get a clip of the show found this
almost 2 years ago something about back to the future
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4j5RtsT2rU
enough is enough time for a change
the other shoe dropped
2:58 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
anthony
your referring to tom phelan being overbearing i agree he always has been and always will be
anthony
2:21 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
I would guess if you asked those two about each other there would be an 80% chance they would say the same thing..... something about "that SOB"
Jesse the Brain
8:48 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Dear Oak Lawn homegirl:
I tried for years to get new contracts for Oak lawn businesses. When Dave Heilman ran for office that was the first question that we asked of him at a Business sponsored mayoral debate. At that time he promised to make sure that the village spent the tax money with Oak Lawn businesses. However, after several years in power and very few contracts coming back to local business he does not want to talk about it. It seems he is preoccupied with attorney mess.
QC
1:56 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Talk to the trustees, John.They had the power to hire Oak Lawn Businesses. The Mayor had No say so as I recall.
andy skoundrianos
11:30 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
John King Dave doesn't care about Oak Lawn business,He only cares about his friends and himself. He is the most anti-social mayor i have ever seen. How many chamber events did he attend when you were a member?? Kolb was at all of them He is never in the office unless it was to do that insane tv show speeders to inflate his huge actor ego!! Imagine Dave refuting everything in this report surprise surprise. The residents will see the report the can't hide it from the taxpayers
QC
1:59 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
How about ole Bob li'l andy??? He cares or should I say used to care about his friends. Right now I'm thinking that he's thinking about himself too huh???
andy skoundrianos
11:00 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Get Back to theater practice Dave
QC
11:38 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Awwwww li'l andy's upset. Did it ever occur to you that maybe the village board insisted on the confidentiality clause, not the prior attorneys??
And the only people that are at village hall at all times are full-time employees.
Most people have other things going on in their lives and as long as he's doing what he needs to do, and was elected to do, now that QC3 have been taken down a few notches what's your problem???
Sandra Bury
11:54 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
QC, I look forward to the day in the near future when that report is public and the details of the confidentiality clause are appropriately in the open.
As far as Mayor Heilmann doing what he was elected to do, what does he do exactly except cause dissent, strife, negative feelings and a few theatrical productions (not talking about the park district here) for the edification of residents?
The board does many positive things for Oak Lawn. I'm not so sure Mayor Heilmann does much. Maybe your "close connection" with him would allow you to shed some light on the subject?
Your obsession with demeaning Andy is vulgar, bullyish, mean spirited and very telling of the character of the person writing it. In making continued personal attacks and very little discussion on the issues, I don't know how your behavior is any different from the kids who bullied the bus monitor. The difference is they are kids. You know better. It's really not behavior to be proud of.
OakLawnGuy
9:53 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Seriously, Dr. Bury, your slamming the Mayor is one-sided. You have the right to express that opinion, but you should also call the rest of the board on their actions. The trustees and the Manager have plenty of semi-secret and hidden dealings as well. Aim your demands at all of them, on all subjects, don't just hammer the lawyer agreement nail - if you are truly in favor of transparency.
Sandra Bury
10:17 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
The Board did vote for the settlement agreement, yes. I'd imagine that the $500,000 recouped for the taxpayer had something to do with that, and that the confidentiality agreement was a condition tied to it.
Why is the Mayor talking to the press about what's in that confidential report? If the Mayor has the pluck to skate along the thin line of violating that confidentiality agreement by talking to the press about what will be in it, my criticism should hardly phase him.
As far as having this expectation of transparency for everyone, if they had a robust conflict of interest policy in which conflicts to agenda items are disclosed at each meeting, it would apply to everyone. It should apply to everyone. I agree 100%.
I will continue to say that if the truth is hidden from the taxpayers at the back end with closed meetings and confidentiality agreements, the taxpayers should know at the front end through conflict of interest disclosures at each meeting. I pray that someone has the courage to place this on the agenda for discussion and action by the Board.
anthony
11:10 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I am going to file one myself. There is enough beef in those private meeting to have a BBq. And while this is a public issue There are many discussion that target "individuals" or 'businesses" only to advance corrupt intentions ......
Dave W.
2:29 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Dr. Bury, nobody has screamed (and gotten stalkered and pounded on for it) about transparency more than I, perhaps save you. I agree wholeheartedly that it is what best helps a myriad of our town's woes.
However, as noted by others, the whole board voted for that confidentiality, not just the mayor. Logically, either ALL their heads are in a noose for something, or it is SO mundane that they agreed because it was virtually proforma. Either way, the notion that THIS board would all vote to protect THIS mayor is just not happening.
As for the mayor speaking on what it may contain...I suspect he is in pre-spin cycle, anticipating that SOMEBODY is going to violate that agreement at some point, and he wants first crack at laying out his case, even if only in the most minimalist way.
Everybody makes too big a deal out of silly little things about the mayor or trustees...who cares who goes to the bar after a meeting with whom? Why is it important if the mayor is in theater? If they do their jobs for the taxpayers, none of that matters. Bickering about who may be who on Patch message boards or what a person's hobbies might be does nothing to advance the smooth running of Oak Lawn.
QC
3:35 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Ms Bury/andy
May I say
#1 I was NOT ADDRESSING YOU.
In your obvious attempt at Grandstanding (to get votes) why are you using andy?
Why is andy letting you use him?
No wonder the two of you are getting along.
Do yourself a favor and go back and read li'l andy's posts.
Don't shoot your mouth off when you know not of which you speak!
Jumping Jack
7:09 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
It's time to vote in new trustees and a New Mayor. It's time to make a change.
We have major vacancy in the village. One of which is 95th and Cicero and 111th & Cicero and 95th & near Oak Park, (the Honda Lot). What is the village planning to do with this vacancies? We can't afford any more Physcian Centers, they do not generate any revenues. Let' bring Busines Back to Oak Lawn and offer better amenities.
Jack Shinola
11:30 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Do you realize the country is in a recession? Actually Oak Lawn has been lucky with new businesses coming into town. Look around in every town and you will see openings for development. That isn't the Mayor's fault or the trustees. No you can blame yourself for voting in Obama
O.L. Taxpayer
8:24 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
This board disgusts me. Ever since Bobby has decided to show his constituents how mad he is at only voting him by a few votes and jumping onboard with the one thing that will run this village into the ground- Dave. Now with Trustee Trautsch being led by the nose to vote not the way she wants but by-Dave. And Carol never having a backbone, we are on a one way road to doom. But we will never know it because Dave will do some legal maneuvering to make sure we never know what hits us, until the legal bills start to come in in a flurry. We may be in a recession I don't doubt that. But with all of the vacant property in the village what is this board doing? Trying to pass off some bank on property that we let get into such bad shape when there are so many other sites that are open by MAKING the trustees vote for it by saying if we don't pass this then where are the seniors going to go? How about setting the seniors up in some storefront that is abandoned. Offer a tax break to the owners if they assist in the remodelling. Just another way for Dave to try to get his new village town center. What a joke.
the other shoe dropped
3:07 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
ol taxpayer your kidding right? the mayor leading people by the nose? him MAKING the trustees vote for something? what planet r u from? do you think the residents of ol r stupid? ya think people will swallow your bs?
vote
10:31 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
Hey Other shoe do you know QC?? You sure sound like him or Dave that is
QC
3:07 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
QC??
No li'l andy, I don't know other shoe. But I sure like his/her posts.
What is your obsession with me? I'm flattered that you named yourself after me, but it's kinda creepy!
callingYouOut
8:47 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Dave W people who dislike or disagree with you shoudln't be lumped into some category jsut because you're the self-proclaimed savior of transparency. You're the kid at the beach screaming "shark" because there might be a shark in the water, not that you've seen one but you may see one. What i really don't enjoy about your posts are how "on the fence" you are about everything. You espouse ideals that you think everyone must agree with. Classic: "Heilmann is not terrible (sorry Andy), nor is he great." In another post you write "We voted for mediocrity, we elected mediocrity" then go on to say: "but what would be so wrong with average people on a board?" can you say psychitzophrenic? are you a brain surgeon in your spare time to judge people like that? then you later go on to say all volunteers on committees are terminal suck ups. you must be the only one who cares about oak lawn. and your real estate sales primarily i imagine.
Dave W.
1:16 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
I am NOT a self-proclaimed anything, especially not on here...unless you count me saying I'm very average a bunch of times. Then you've got me. If you think there has been no evidence of secrecy (again, people are SO PRO secrecy...it is SO bizarre), you have NOT been reading these boards. Please, GO DO THAT. People have been complaining for months now, maybe more than a year, about backroom dealing, golf courses, clubhouses, local pubs, just to name some starters for you.
What you call 'on the fence' I would call 'pragmatic'. The world isn't black and white, it is very much gray. Why pretend that every problem, every question has only one answer? Many do not. Town government is a bit complex for over 55,ooo residents; why act like the village board is above the reproach of all of them though?
Nice stalking, by the way...BUT, it is interesting that you inferred that average and mediocre are the same. True, the strict dictionary defintions of the words alone mean about the same, but in context they are not mutually inclusive. By 'average' I meant more that we need not necessarily elect lawyers or bankers. Why NOT Andy? (I know, why would I say that...because...) Is he SO much less qualified than the people on the board now? (Disclaimer, I have no idea who Andy is aside from this board, so, technically, this is rhetorical, as I have NO idea if his is qualified or not, but that isn't the point.) Why not Oak Lawn Guy? Why not YOU, callingYouOut? Unless you already are...
Dave W.
1:28 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Sorry to continue this, but, callingYouOut, you seem to have lost your way here at the end..."psychitzophrenic"? Brain surgeon? To judge people? Like people have me just for wanting the same things many others have said they wanted as well? Try harder to insult me at least; you won't keep up with snagear.
I might have said something about volunteers who are actually placed on committees being people who know people and want to suck up, but really, is that something anybody is shocked by at this point? Are YOU one of those people? Did I hurt your feeling? As I say to everyone, write me in private if you want, and we can meet in person for a pop of something to talk things out, civilized like. My opinions won't change just because we are in person, though I suspect that the people who take shots from behind a profile might not be so brave to talk out loud to a real person, not a keyboard. It isn't that I'm so offended by such antics, childish as they are, but I am perplexed at what purpose they serve. Bullying me clearly hasn't worked, so...?
Your sarcasm aside, I do care about Oak Lawn, and I'm continually amazed at why THAT is a bad thing. Please, feel free to tell me how the things I say are harmful to Oak Lawn...this ought to be good.
Lastly...my real estate sales? What does that even MEAN? While that is my job, so I DO care (as I IMAGINE most people do about the thing that puts food on their kids plate), how is THAT terrible? Again, please explain; or go away.
vote
10:10 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
QC=Dave You continue to personally attack residents,female village officials,trustees,business owners and anyone else that doesn't agree with you. You are a coward,Use your real name Dave, We all know it's you. You have way too much info on executive matters that most residents would never know. Your fascination with Mike Madigan is a little scary. You have more wacky conspiracy theories than Jesse Ventura.I think you are a little creepy??
callingYouOut
9:11 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Jumping Jack seems to think like all the rest that government solves all our problems. government will fix everything. idiotsavants
QC
11:23 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
QC??.
So your real Name is QC?? LOL We all know that You're li'l andy!
WAAAHHH WAAAHHH
anthony
12:08 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
topical confirmation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/25/corruption-rampant-in-chi_n_1625701.html?utm_hp_ref=chicago
OakLawnGuy
7:46 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
If the post were to be created, and they started in Bridgeview, I don't think they ever have the time to make it to Oak Lawn.
callingYouOut
7:40 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
what I don't get is why people like Dave W and Andy and QC are so obsessed with tryong to find out the identity of commenters? they want it SO BAD to be who they want it to be whether it be a trustee or volunteer or friend or family of someone they dont respect. Just because someone uses a first name and last initial doesn't mean anything. Boy oh Boy QC has accused many a poster of being a multitude of public figures. And it really bothers Dave W that people don't like his writing style or ideas. Hes so busy tryiong to be politically correct so that no one can disagree with him he fogot the nasty things he posted in the past that yes are going to piss people off. how can he get so worked up about this when he admits to who he is as a local realtor? who does that? crazy people.sounds like many on here can't take what they have dished out. Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen! And no Dave W you are not always right but you must always have that last word huh? Issues
Dave W.
1:19 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
The only time, callingYouOut, that I take any issue with something about me is when it is inaccurate. Facts are facts, whether you (or I) like them or not. I do NOT personally have a wish list of anybody in particular being any of these posts. In fact, I would really like NONE of them to be, only because I would much prefer they focus on the things that the rest of us (including you) want them to do for the town, instead of posting on a message board. Of course it is their 'right' as it is for all of us, including you, and, sadly for you, me. Obviously you and I and many others want better for the town and have the time (usually) to post about what we feel is wrong. We don't have (presumably) the power to inflict the change that the trustees or mayor have.
It isn't politcally correct, it is trying to be conscious of reality, or both sides sometimes having factual points in a discussion. First you defend secrecy, now you defend extremeism and partisanship? You WANT more in-fighting? How does that help? I seek compromise or reconcilliation or really ANYTHING resembling a better functioning local (or national, for that matter) governement. You hate PRAGMATISM? Who does THAT? Obviously you disagree with me, so your concept of my 'stated mission' is tragically flawed by the person who brings it up, you!
I post what I post...if people remember and like or don't like it, that is fine. I understand the possible ramifications. Funny you care so much about MY business.
Dave W.
1:45 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Quick little addendum, callingYouOut, you cannot keep, well, calling me out for having the last word, then proceeding to insult me your entire post, THEN try to set me up as a bully IF I follow up on YOUR attack. Nice try, but no.
Your problem, it seems, is that I CAN take the heat, and will live in the kitchen, if need be. Your attempts to shut down those who disagree with you on this board will not go unnoticed nor unresponded. Calm down and breathe...this is just a message board. You are so angry about pragmatism that you forgot how to capitalize letters or spell. You at least wrote better when bashing me for obtuse reasons before. One can almost see the spittle forming on your lip and the vein in your head throbbing as you typed...take it easy...if any of us could ACTUALLY change something just by typing on the Patch boards, don't you think they would? You make it personal for what? That helps the town how? Seriously, contact me, we can meet and talk it out...I have agreed with you about some things...of course, I don't have the in-born hatred of logic or pragmatism you seem to have, but I'm flexible. Hope to hear from you, though I somehow doubt I will. You have much more to say, I'm sure, from the other side of your screen. Guess that I'm...um, CALLING YOU OUT! (Consider THOSE caps as yelling, not just emphasis.)
anthony
2:02 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
the point is to expose motivations... The laugh is if one has a vested interest. Posting in a public forum trying galvinize opinions is risky business..
Dave W.
2:29 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
anthony, I agree with you. On all points. We may not all agree, but if our best, vested interest is in the town, not the person behind a profile name or attacking each other for the sake of attacking, we will at last have a shot at a better future for our town.
QC
3:02 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
cYO
WOWWWW!! As you say, "can you say psychitzophrenic? are you a brain surgeon in your spare time to judge people like that?" You are flippin' vile! Get help!
QC
11:11 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
cYO, QC??, George White, O.L. Taxpayer, danr, 10910, Whaa Dave???, Wish One
snagear = idiotsavants
WishOne Einstein
callingYouOut
8:22 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
OakLawnGuy you are absolutely right on to note bridgeview as our neighboring suburb thats corruption infested. that mayor should go to jail but he won't. People act like oak lawn is like bridgeview but its not.
anthony
2:13 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
"You WANT more in-fighting? How does that help?" It might of helped.. It seems they are more interested in other peoples secret deals than making their own...
Bridgeview problems= the stadium (more traffic control than paid attendees)
Oak lawn problems = lawsuits and attorneys
andy skoundrianos
9:49 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
No that's because we don't have a stadium that doesn't make any money for the town that built it on the taxpayer backs!!! QC I don't need a fake name to say something to you.. Dave
George White
8:28 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
How do we know Dave W is a real name? Who's last name is W?
I do think that some of the people posting, like DAVE W do believe that they are smarter than everyone else. When he says we should have average people on the board and then later says he's average (as if that is a good thing), you really start to see the picture. This guy is a frustrated Mayor or Trustee. He already knows it all so he should be able to jump in and win easily. He also likes to be "pragmatic" SO nobody should vote against him. He can be the next Ernie Kolb
Dave W.
1:31 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
George White,
If you read my stuff, and it sounds like you might, you should know that I do NOT think I'm smarter than everyone..quite to the contrary, I find that if my average little mind can comprehend the things I expound upon, it shouldn't be that hard to comprehend for ANYBODY else. Not agree with me, but to understand what I'm saying, not to misquote or purposely pull out of context what I've said. I actually think these message boards are exactly made for disagreements...none of us have all or even most of the answers. There are 55,ooo people in town, though. Together, we should be able to eek out a few good thought and concepts.
While I DO say I'm average, AND I DO say that 'average' people might make good elected officials, that doesn't make me inclusive to the list of those that SHOULD be elected to anything. I'm not a trustee or mayor (except maybe in my own car...), but I AM frustrated. Aren't we all? With something or somebody? Does ANYBODY think the town is running at peak efficiency? I don't know you, George White; maybe YOU would be a great twon official...I have no idea. Maybe callingYouOut would, or Andy, or snagear, or anthony, or RobertS (though it appears he is leaving town). Maybe Dr. Bury would do well, or OakLawnGuy, or OL Resident, or Oak Lawn Gal...so many people are dissatisfied with the board, clearly somebody needs to go. Maybe all of them.
You can keep trying to scare or bully people, but some of them don't run.
QC
11:18 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
How do we know andy skoundrianos is andy skoundrianos and you are supposedly George White, .....Tom Phelan aka King of the Narcissists?
10910
2:07 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
i guess that makes two of you who are frustrated per the article. dave w and Mayor Heilmann.
QC
3:29 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
DAVE W. FOR MAYOR !!!
Dave W.
4:12 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Oh thanks, QC, now you are going to wind up the peanut gallery again.
Goin' Local
3:59 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
The people who post consistently on here never have anything constructive or positive to say. I call them habitual complainers. Many are really upset with some personal aspect of their life. Whether it be the wife not giving any respect or attention, not being successful or whatever so beit if its keeping our politicians honest.
Goin' Local
4:09 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
And most not all local smalltown politicains like aldremen and trustees are hlfway decent people. Some aren't. Most are decent but are vilified for example on here. If being publicly criticized is tolerable they stick around. But the smallminds on here who vilify are just that small minded.
andy skoundrianos
12:45 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
QC When have I ever been afraid to say something to you?? I said it to your face at the last board meeting. I could care less what you think Dave but I do love that the massive ego you have can not stand to be criticized at all. I don;t need fake names to call you out Mr. Theater
anthony
2:09 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
quality control is on a roll.... Must of been promised a bonus...
10910
7:14 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Ok I'm not trying to bully anyone on here but do you people honestly think anything you say on here will even be considered as a valid "idea" for this town? Cmon, of the Trustees and Mayor who actually read this stuff they probably 1) want a restraining order against most of you 2) think you're all crazy. If you honestly cared about Oak Lawn using these comment boards to ridicule isn't the way. do something constructive. but it must be too fulfilling to see others high-five you or nominate you for Mayor in the cyberworld than to go public. Creepy.
60453
7:25 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
LMAO. You nailed it 10910! Being nominated in the cyberworld for Mayor is not going to do anything except pump up somebody who should be out looking for a job rather than running down people that work for our village. Sure, they aren't perfect but at least they are doing something constructive.
anthony
3:54 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
i support Mr Skoundrianos because maybe a year back i saw him working hard to make a bunch of disgruntled shoppers move faster. Than that same night i saw him at the board meeting... Something about priorities...
anthony
4:07 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
The Public record always counts... The key to defeating abuse or dark secrets is to bring them into the open. If they are not an abuse or improper that one should have nothing to hide... lol @creeps keeping secrets
As far as caring i been Schindler talking to not make a big deal out of things for years Not reacting makes things worse
I assure you madam the idea is valid and already may be out of thier hands
Dave W.
3:17 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
See, QC, I told you...thanks for getting me dragged back into this by people who not of what they speak...
10910, I said those very words more than once...nobody cares what the same rotating gaggle of posters numbering maybe thirty(?) say on the Patch boards...or at least one kind of hopes not. You do seem to fail to realize that are in that group, not above it, as you try to angle. Also, since nobody knows who most of these posters really are, they might all be are all NOT be the very elected officials ranted about. If they are, of course, they could very well be some of the people you just called crazy.
10910 AND 60453, being fake nominated on this message board does nothing for anybody's ego, that is just an inane comment. Especially for you, 60453, with your brand new fake profile just for this post...you do not know me, yet you think I need to find a job. I work plenty, and I volunteer and do 'constructive' things. You both posted on here as well, mulitple times for you, 10910...how constructive are YOU being? Have you both found jobs? 60453, you realize the irony of high-fiving 10910 on a post that derides high-fiving in the cyberworld? That is just funny stuff.
The constructive stuff those board people (including mayor) are doing seems to create enough of a fuss that national journalist are commenting. None of them have to be evil or even criminal...ineffective is more than bad enough. I don't think the majority of residents really care who is right or wrong.
realtor 4 mayor
7:26 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Get real dave w u r basking in the praise and loving all the attention on here that you must not get elsewhere. U revel in it like white on rice. Irritated at not getting that last word mr cyber mayor?????
phakelan 4 himself
8:06 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
uh, didn't you just have the last word mr cyber bully???? frustrated because you don't get any respect from anyone because your so much more superior than them and there jealous????? your in the limelight now so bask in it while you can then karaoke your way out of this jam doofus
Dave W.
7:45 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Wow, 'another' person posting with a newly created fake profile...you 'all' have such an obsession with me, yet you are to cowardly to meet me someplace and discuss opinions in person. AGAIN, you ASK somebody a question, then you want to mock the fact that they ANSWER you for 'needing' the last word. It isn't a race, who cares who actually finishes a thread otherwise.
What exactly am I basking in? ONE person jokingly saying I should be mayor? Oh yeah...I am TOTALLY reveling in THAT. Attention from one obsessed yahoo with seven different fake profiles? Yep, that is what I live for everyday....got me!
By the way...Nice job writing like a texting 13 year old to pretend you are not all the same person. Because THAT is fooling people.
Why ARE you so afraid of ME?
For the record, I don't eat rice, it is filling.
vote
10:22 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Dave don't get mad get even.. with facts Dave's group hates facts
QC
2:53 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
QC??
What are the "Facts"?? Proove them. No one from "your group" has any facts! As a matter of fact none of you (lol) answers any questions either!! I've asked plenty, especially from andy, and never ever get answers, just diatribes against me because I ask questions, I don't care. As andy's mother used to say, "Remember mind over matter I don't mind and you don't matter.” Thank you.
Dave W.
2:12 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
QC??, if that is true, that is sad. If we all faced facts a little bit more, there wouldn't be so much squabbling. It doesn't matter which group it is, shame on them...the mayor, the trustees, whoever...you, me...although we don't really count, since we can only vote on election day, not at the village meetings.
Just hope/wish they would all compromise more and get something done to help the town with the empty stores and such.
liberalsuck
6:06 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
How is it the mayors fault if there are empty storefronts?that's the most IDiotic thinking ever. How can low level politicians be credited or discredited for empty storefronts?
anthony
12:30 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
the mayor is low level? but yea enough already wait for the next triumph or outrage