@G Schilling Good simile. ;)

Well put Gerard!!!

It's Congress that refuses to work with Obama. Remember Mitch McConnell's comments? It was the Republicans' intentions since January 20, 2009 to block Obama on EVERYTHING. The Senate Republicans filibustered everything. Don't make this claim about controlling Congress for two years.

"Complete control for two years" - is one of those false statements that gets lazily parroted about. A majority doesn't mean complete control, and he only had a filibuster-proof majority for a fraction of that time.

I couldn't agree more IL is a failure of a state and still voting democratic why don't people wake up?

CMB, let's take these BS comments one at a time.
1. ..Obama blames Congress for his failure, but he had complete control for two years. Obama refuses to work with Congress now.
Fair enough. In my opinion, Obama's biggest fault is that he tried to work with the TeeParty. Now explain Boosh, who had complete control for 6 years and racked up trillions in debt, you know, the same debt that you blame Obama for.
2. Clinton had a Republican Congress and they worked together on reforms....so who is at fault? You are trying to revise history. Have you forgotten about the Govt. shut downs?
3.IL is a complete failure of a state but we still vote Democrat. Illinois is ranked 17th in terms of earnings, a lot better than most southern states who mooch off us. Don't forget, Illinois has had Republican Governors for most of the last 30 years. Maybe you'd feel more at home in a southern state, the ones who are the real "takers".

Baba Wawa you are wrong. McConnell did not say that until after the November 2010 mid term elections and the democrats controlled both the house and the senate from the time Obama took office until January 2011. Contrary to other opinions, you do not have to have a filibuster proof majority of 60 votes in the senate to control congress, all you need is a majority. The party holding the majority is the one who decides on what comes to the floor for votes, and those things that did not get passed or voted on are the fault of Pelosi and Reid for not allowing them to the floor and they are democratic leaders.

I can explain it with three words, "lazy, stupid, voters"!

Michael M,
the majority does have control of what comes to the senate floor but, 60 votes are needed to block a filibuster of the bill to be voted on.e.g.recently the veterans jobs bill had 57 votes in the senate but, 4 republicans blocked the bill with a filibuster ending all hopes of creating jobs for returning Iraq and Afghanistan veterans this year.Hooray for the republicans (the pseudo patriots) they again stopped Obama from any positive job creation at the expense of the veterans.

Speaking of secrets;
There was a secret meeting that took place the day President Obama was inaugurated as told by retired criminal defense attorney John Reed:
People are waking up to this sociopathic behavior by the GOP leadership. And more than a few people recognize it as treason against the American people. Retired criminal defense attorney John Reed:

We know now, though, that the very same day the world welcomed the new President into office, a small group of powerful men, bent on his destruction, secretly met to design a plan to create economic and political chaos in America for the coming four years, solely for the purpose of regaining the House of Representatives in 2010, and the Presidency in 2012.
Half the country is now aware of the GOP conspiracy to tank the economy and even if many Republican voters have grown immune to reality most independent voters now understand why the recovery has taken so long.

Here is another article on republican obstruction of Obama:
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers

Russ did you want them to break the law to pass the vote? Passing the Veterans Jobs Corps Act would have violated the Budget Control Act and the repubs wanted to find away around the BCA in order to pass the bill, plus Orin Hatch introduced an amendment that would increase the eligibility age from 37 to 47 so that vets could complete their 20 years of service and qualify for their hard-earned retirement with full benefits, plus be eligible for the Veterans Jobs Corps Act. Sounds to me like the repubs were looking to follow the law and give the vets more than the dems wanted to give them. The dems were only looking to pass the bill to get votes, but it would have left a majority of veterans ineligible for the act.

Michael M., when McConnell said his comments isn't the crux of my argument; it's ancillary. However, Republican leaders and strategists did meet the evening of the inauguration on how to defeat Obama at every turn.

Sure, the majority can bring whatever bills on the floor to vote, but when it comes time for CLOTURE on the bill, then Republicans filibuster it and the only way to break it is with a super majority, which the Democrats do NOT have, so your point about having a simple majority is utter nonsense. There's NEVER been so much filibustering with Obama and this Congress than with other administrations.

Nothing gets passed. Even the most recent bill benefiting VETERANS and was BI-PARTISAN (yes, support from Republicans), it was paid for was blocked by Republicans. Shameful.

Russ, What would you have had Republicans do?? With your man Obama steering this country in the wrong direction, would you expect them to follow along?? Seriously, why would republicans go along with his misdirected policies?? You might call them "obstructionists", but I think a more serious minded and enlightened person would see that if you want this country to get back on the right track, you stick to your guns and don't allow the dems to steer this country too far to the left...

@michael m
The 1 billion dollar cost(premise that the budget control act was violated) of the bill would have been paid for in 10 years.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackie-ostfeld/gop-blocks-passage-of-vet_b_1898082.html
A small price to pay for our veterans .the veterans that the republicans pretend to embrace.No this was another attempt to defeat Obama at all costs.
Sen.Patty Murray said:
“It’s both shocking and shameful that Republicans today chose to kill a bill to put America’s veterans back to work,” Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee and a bill co-sponsor, said in a statement after the vote. “At a time when one in four young veterans are unemployed, Republicans should have been able, for just this once, to put aside the politics of obstruction and to help these men and women provide for their families.”
Murray called the vote a “stark reminder that Senator McConnell and Senate Republicans are willing to do absolutely anything to fulfill the pledge he made nearly two years ago to defeat President Obama.”
Murray said budgetary set-asides would pay for the cost of the bill.
Several Republicans, including Scott Brown of Massachusetts and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, joined Democrats in supporting the motion to waive the budgetary objections.

Russ here is the difference between you and me. You believe it is OK to violate the law as long as the intent is good. I don't believe that. Would it be OK for someone to steal money from you as long as they gave it to charity? And why don't you want the veterans to have their benefits? By limiting the age to 37 they can not get their twenty years in to get their pensions and benefits. Don't you care about the veterans? They could have both jobs and benefits under the repub plan, but only jobs with the dem plan. Why would you and the dems want to hang them out to dry? Thanks for putting your life on the line, but your on your own for benefits and a pension; our veterans deserve more than that.

No Michael, the difference between you and me is your masquerading the facts to make a disgusting republican stand against veterans look like a good idea and I am calling them and you out on it..Orin hatch blocked the veterans jobs bill for a bill that didn't include jobs for veterans but training instead. Orin amended that bill for the 37-47 age group:
"Instead of backing a bill that would have spent a billion dollars our nation doesn’t have, Hatch backs common-sense legislation to bring real jobs and greater retirement security to our veterans put forward by Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C.," said Heather Barney.

Burr introduced alternative legislation that includes several veterans job-training initiatives but removes the provision establishing the job corps.

Hatch also introduced an amendment that would have increased the cutoff age from 37 to 47 for veterans to join federal law enforcement.
Here is the whole article:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865563240/Howell-calls-Hatch-vote-against-veterans-jobs-bill-un-American.html

Agreed, but the democratic public at large don't know or recognize that (or simply don't care). Four years ago, Bill Clinton could not stand Obama and accused him of playing the race card, and accused Obama's campaign of being one big "fairy tale".. Today, Obama is running his campaign based on Clintons presidency because he has nothing to run on himself: 23 million unemployed Americans, 16+trillion in debt, 8+% unemployment, gas prices sky high, etc..... Now, he tells spanish TV that his biggest regret was not getting immigration reform done (pandering, of course) even though he had control of government for two years. BTW, he pandered to another group about his "biggest regret" as well - totally different regret). Youtube clintons rants about Obama, then tell me they are great friends.

"even though he had control of government for two years. BTW, he pandered to another group about his "biggest regret" as well - "

While all three houses were under Democratic rule for 2 years, Obama did not have a fillibuster proof majority for 2 years. It was more like 2 weeks to 2 months depending on how you look at it.

having blue dog Dem's in Congress is worse than having Independents like JOE the JUDEAN senator from TEL-AVIV and then there is the stupid Senate rules where one minority or TPARTY moron can cripple the economy and did

Speaking of Chicago...I have a solution to save the State! I say the rest of Illinois vote to donate Chicago/Cook County to the Federal Government like Maryland donated Washington D.C. to the Federal Government. That would change the political nature of the state overnight!

Exactly what would mke us Socialist? Certainly not the TARP program started unde President Bush. That pulled us off a finacial cliff and quite likely kept us out of a Depression. President Obama just expanded the program, and not nearly enough to trigger government ownership of enough business to call us Socialists.

Mike, you better stock up on bread and flour comrade.

Whoa, there's another Mike B! However, from his ludacris statement I can surmise that we're likely diametrically opposed.

You wouln't know a true socialist if one came up and bit your behind.

Healthcare premiums were already drastically increasing due to growing health care costs. Don't blame it all on a law which hadn't even been fully implemented yet.

More lies Karen. Insurance premiums go up every year more so when insurance companies need to pay out in claims.

As for things getting worse, corporate profits are at an all time high, the stock market is doing a lot better than when Bush left, the housing market is turning around.

Mitt has no specific plans. He said the other day he would have to raise taxes on the middle class while cutting taxes on the rich. This is the man you wan to vote for.

I bet half the people who plan to vote for Mittens have no idea where he stands on issues. You people just don't like Obama. At least I know what I will get with Obama.

What has the government taken ownership of? What has happened to our liberties as opposed to the Patriot Act?

The Affordable Care Act isn't the reason premiums are going up, they go up every year. So, you have read the entire bill and you're running scared because of those non-existing death panels and all those other horrible things? Get a grip, most of the lies about the bill are exagerated nonsense from the first bill that was never passed. It was completley re-written and doesn't contain anything that is horrible other than finding a way to make healthcare accessible to as many as possible.

Karen, why are you worrying so much about healthcare. If you get sick just go to the emergency room. That is Romney's healthcare plan.

Karen, you're nuts. Shrub got us into two wars, WHICH WERE NOT PAID FOR; tax cuts, WHICH WERE NOT PAID FOR; Medicare prescription drug program, WHICH WAS NOT PAID FOR. And Darth Cheney said deficits don't matter.

Republicans are idiots and arguing with them is a waste of time.

Turn off your FOX "News". You are among the most uninformed segment of American Society.

Karen "I strongly disagreeing" with your ability to emit a cohesive thought. Look, if I look at the facts there is no way on God's green earth I will vote for Romney. Since when do we let our government dictate how we live our lives? Are you kidding me? Have you READ what Romney/Ryan want to do to women's health programs? Their views on rape victims? Karen PLEASE listen to yourself before you type, your statements define nothing more than a great example for the word "hypocrit".
Please, go back in your hole and weep for the long-gone days of Reagan. We've all learned the hard way. Obama may not be perfect, but at least he's not a RepubliCON. Keep believing that they have any interest in anyone not in their insular 1%. Hint: you're not.

And Obama, Karina, is a democRAT.

I find this hilarious. Obviously no one here is going to change anyone's mind. Karen hates Obama, fine. She'll believe every negative thing she hears about him and neglect to even look into Romney's platform and character. What's funny is that Karen, as a woman and a member of the middle class (don't kid yourself, the 1% aren't wasting their times on the Patch forum) will not like the outcome of a Romney presidency.

Also, you haven't read the Affordable Care Act. Sure, you've heard it summarized, I'll give you that. You probably also know where it was derived from, right? Ask Massachussetts about RomneyCare.

Mike B-lets get the facts straight about Romneycare in Mass. We have a constitution for our republic (no, we are not a democracy but a representative form of government). The constitutions enumerates what the federal govt can do and it even states that those powers not enumerated to the federal govt are left for the states or the people. That means that states CAN do things that the federal govt can not do. For example, most states had official religions, many of the states constitutional preambles start out by giving thanks to God, but the federal govt was not allowed to have an official religion. States had the ability to ban gun ownership, for example, back before the constitution had the incorporating amendment added. Here is the reason for letting states have more power; the states would compete for citizens, if you didn't want guns you could move to a state that had banned them, if you wanted guns you could move to a state that allowed them, but if the federal govt had the power to do that then you had no where to go, you were basically forced into a law.

So Massachusetts had the right to impose a health care act in that state, if you didn't like it, then you could leave, and all the ramifications for that law would only affect those in that state and that states budgets and taxes, not the entire nation or or budget and debt.

The 14th amendment incorporated the states and local govt into the constitutional restrictions. This meant that states could no longer ban guns, have an official religion or violate the enumerated powers in the constitution. The reason for this was that states were violating the rights of the freed slaves with bans on guns and other rights.
Since healthcare or the power to force you to buy healthcare is not addressed in the constitution, then that power remains with the state and the people, this gave Mass and all other states the right to have a healthcare plan or law, the 10th amendment states "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." This is competition at its best. Under this type of constitution the states would compete for citizens and business, states that succeeded would reap the rewards and states that failed could always change their laws to be more successful. Let's take gay marriage as an example, let the states decide and see how the people react. If you support gay marriage you can live in that state that allows it, if you don't you can live a state that does not allow it, if people leave the state then the state can reform or repeal the law, freedom of choice, what a great concept.

Since we have a government by the consent of the people the state of Massachusetts has the constitutional power and authority to have healthcare because we gave the states the power in the 10th amendment, where Obama and the fed govt have no power or authority to have a healthcare law because We The People have not given them the power or authority.

Michael, I do appreciate that you are well-versed on the Constitution and make a well-reasoned post. Coming from a household with someone lectured by Obama on constitutional law at UofC, I can appreciate your grasp of constitutional law; you must be a lawyer. :)

Now, though I don't disagree with you on the state verses federal distinction, the bills were similar in their intent. The way they were applied is where they differ. When the supreme court ruled the ACA a tax, it then became within the powers of the federal goverment to levy it. I'm not here to argue whether or not it's a tax or that Obama said it wasn't and then it was...

I am not a lawyer, but a student of history. I only answered your post to gut any argument that "Obama simply did what Romney did, so people shouldn't complain about Obama doing it", what Obama did is not even close to what Romney did, one followed the constitution and the other circumvented it. Obama is a constitutional lawyer in name only. Justice Roberts was brilliant in his opinion don't you think? He struck down the mandate under the commerce clause, but upheld it as a tax. Why? Two reasons; he wants the people to make the decision by voting in the election; he also limited the commerce clause, he has now set a precedent that stops the govt from forcing you to buy anything, what a great move that was, freedom of choice was upheld. Now that it is a tax, it can easily be reversed in the tax code and only need a 51% vote to make a change, instead of a super majority, because all budget bills only need 51% vote to pass. The law may remain on the books for years and never be fully implemented, all the congress has to do is not fund it. I like the state approach, let the states decide. For the record, the Obama administration made it clear for 2 years that this was not a tax because of the tax promises he made.

That's precisely why it went to the Supreme Court. It was not a black and white issue. I don't know why you make the comment that Obama is a constitutional law lecturer at one of the most prestigious law schools in the county by name only. What does that even mean? He was clearly a faculty member and is well-versed in the Constitution. In fact, he never intended the Act to be a tax. So, you can't say he intentionally deceived us where that is concerned. He was arguing the constitutionality of the Act under the interstate commerce clause. I believe he had sound logic for that.

One of the Framers’ primary goals was to give Congress the power to regulate matters of national economic significance because states individually could not effectively manage them on their own. The problems facing the modern healthcare system today are precisely the sort of problems beyond the reach of individual states that led the Framers to give Congress authority to regulate interstate commerce. I do appreciate that the commerce clause was limited with this decision.

Hey karen, based upon the way you're being attacked on this site, I say welcome to the world of right, as in darn right, wing extremism! These people want a socialist government and Obama is ready to give it to them. They will cut you down for your opinions without taking time to examine them. I have read the health bill from beginning to end [Including the boring compliments they pay one another in the beginning!] and you are absolutely right. If they chose to deny what's there that's their choice. I wouldn't worry about it, just make sure you vo

Michael M.,
You state "So Massachusetts had the right to impose a health care act in that state, if you didn't like it, then you could leave, and all the ramifications for that law would only affect those in that state and that states budgets and taxes, not the entire nation or or budget and debt."

So how do you expalin Medicare? Federally mandated healthcare insurance, which we have no options on, we pay taxes ahead of time and are rquired by law to enroll in Medicare at age 65.

Stones-I disagree with medicare. It was just another way to redistribute wealth using the taxing authority of the govt.

Thank you Karen. I agree with you completely.

I can always tell when liberals are circling because the name calling and insults bubble to the surface. Keep blaming Bush and blame him as well for Obama's incompetence. Shelf all the rhetoric and just listen to his own word: "If I don't fix this economy in three years, this will be a one term proposition". He said he was the only candidate to fix the mess, yet he's made it worse and democrats want to give him a do-over. He refuses to meet with world leaders recently because he simply doesn't have the time, yet finds time to go on Letterman, the View, and party with Beyonce, Jay Z, et al. Romney has been vilified and accused of killing a person.. Your president has lied to you on many levels, but he's such a neat celebrity, lets give him another chance.. I weep for the future of this country and for the people who sent this freshman senator (barely) to the most powerful and important office in the world.

Another Republican that loves to criticize and offers no specifics to back up his positions, just Obama has made things worse. Who sounds desperate now, Gary?

Logansdad,
Do I REALLY have to spell out what's wrong with Obama's tenure/America? Turn on a news outlet that tells the truth and you'll see clearly enough.

Garry, just more talking points from Faux News I guess

I see PMSNBC isn't reporting the news, or you'd be informed.

if u work in this field u are using the same billing practices that the ROBBER BARON and partner of the RED ARMY is using to take over the economy it is the BAIN method of stealing assets and going belly up that is for another discussion the capitalist so called dirty word should only be used with THE LYIN SACK and BAIN and his dirty partnership with the Red Army drilling in Iran and his main contributor the VICE LORD or TAIPAN of MACAU hosting THE LYIN SACKS fundraiser in the home of pirates murder and opium HONG KONG, as for NY who was the mayor AND governor on 911?
Now as far as qualifications and promises who is going to pay for the KOCH BROS and !% tax cuts besides the VET'S, disabled old folks, college kids,women's health and equality and all the other 47% like u.

The only wealth being redistributed was the wealth that was put in by the working people of America out of their paychecks every week. The only reason medicare is failing is that the goverment let people who never paid one cent into medicare use it, including themselves, the same thing happened to Social Security. These two programs would have never failed if not for the goverment looting of the funds.

Tony Medicare and Social Security are being crushed by demographics. What you describe doesn't help, but the main reason they are blowing up is that there are too many baby boomers retiring. It's a problem everyone knew about for the last 4 decades but nobody stepped up to fix it.

Social security relies on current workers to pay for current retirees. Back in 1950, as the baby boom was just getting started, each retiree's benefit was divided among 16 workers. Taxes could be kept low. Today, that number has dropped to 3.3 workers per retiree, and by 2025, it will reach--and remain at--about two workers per retiree. Each married couple will have to pay, in addition to their own family's expenses, Social Security retirement benefits for one retiree. In order to pay promised benefits, either taxes on everyone must rise dramatically or services must be cut.

@Dg guy,
per Sen,Bernie Sanders:
In the 77 years since President Franklin Roosevelt signed Social Security into law on August 14, 1935, the retirement program has been one of the nation's most successful anti-poverty programs. Before Social Security existed, about half of America's senior citizens lived in poverty. Today, less than 10 percent live in poverty.

Today, Social Security not only provides retirement security but also enables millions of people with disabilities, and widows, widowers and children to live in dignity and security.

In these highly volatile economic times, when millions of Americans lost their life savings in the 2008 Wall Street crash, it is important to remember that since its inception, through good economic times and bad, Social Security has paid every penny owed to every eligible beneficiary.

Despite Wall Street and right-wing misinformation, Social Security, which is funded by the payroll tax, does not contribute to the deficit. In fact, the Social Security Trust Fund today, according to the Social Security Administration, has a $2.7 trillion surplus and can pay 100 percent of all benefits owed to every eligible American for the next 21 years. Further, unlike the huge commissions paid out to Wall Street firms, Social Security is run with very modest administrative costs.

Leadership tackle spiraling debt in ILLINOIS? That doesn't include all the corruption and graft at State and Local levels, I presume.

I look to the successful states also. And then I look at Illinois. And then I realize what a strong force unions are on our officials. Then I get angry.

OK, Eric. Since you have it all figured out, what do you propose to do about it? I mean besides post conspiracy theory rants on websites few people read?

Not a very intelligent rebuttal. Can't you think of something at least a little bit thought provoking? For instance, prove my post false/wrong. Conspiracy Theory? That one is worn out. Try a new one.

Republican troll.

Why would Carter be proud of the disastrous bushCo years? America and the world are still reeling from that idiot. The only good thing bushCo did was ramp up the destruction of the GOP.

Robert, is that all you know how to do is name call? Obama will LOSE so get over it and get over your self.

Carter is happy that Obama is president, because Jimmy no longer holds the title "worst president in the modern history of the US".

Worst president ever? That's be lil' georgie bush.

Joseph R. Martan, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's what you have to say???? Genius!!! No, really!!! Genius!!!

Obama was too accommodating to the other side of the aisle, too willing to negotiate. Sure, both sides could have pointed to a positive accomplishment. But McConnell made it perfectly clear that positive accomplishments were not the priority. The next election was.
(unless you consider a record # of filibusters an accomplishment)

Hey Ray,

Obama was too accommodating to the other side of the aisle, too willing to negotiate????? Your kidding right????

Read Bob Woodward's new book. Obama doesn't know how to negotiate. He has never taken the time to build relationships with the people in congress on either side of the aisle.

"Do you think there are going to be any good doctors in the ER or privately if this keeps going?"

Yes I do think there will be good doctors. I do not seem them going away.

"There's more in the healthcare act that has nothing to do with healthcare try reading it. It will scare the hell out of you."

More BS and scare tactics.

"Your liberties are being taken away it needs to be repealed and re-written."
The only group that believes in taking away people's liberties is the GOP. Romney is just another re-incarnation of Bush. The GOP claims to want to have less government involvement except when it comes to telling people who they should love, when they should have sex, what to do about their bodies and who they should pray to.

As far as immigration goes, Obama has deported more illegals than Bush, but you claim he hasn't done enough.
What is Romney's solution to immigration. He wants to build a wall. Now where is all that money going to come from?

Um, what? Reagan would NOT be supported by these right wing rep's... Romney would support regane, because at best romney will flip to anyone. That's not an insult, that's pure fact... Back to Reagan. He supported unions, bailed out banks and sky rocketed the budget... All things that you people say is destroying this country.... I don't get it?

If you want to gain some credibility at least use the spell check function on your computer before you send an e-mail.

Logansdad
9:47 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
"Do you think there are going to be any good doctors in the ER or privately if this keeps going?"

Yes I do think there will be good doctors. I do not seem them going away.

@Garry I work in the healthcare industry, and doctors are scattering (and have been) like mice to get out before Obamacare takes hold. Many pre med students are changing majors.. This is socialized medicine and that cannot be denied or explained away with cool words.

"@Garry I work in the healthcare industry, and doctors are scattering (and have been) like mice to get out before Obamacare takes hold. Many pre med students are changing majors.."

A little late to this discusion Garry and have nothing new to offer or support your claims. Based on the information provided yesterday by Karen, Doctors were getting fed up with their profession long before Obamacare aka Romneycare was enacted so you have no proof that "doctors are scattering" just based on the ACA being enacted.

"Many pre med students are changing majors."

A lot of college students change their majors so what is your point.

Point made Logansdad.. Not sure where Karen is getting that info - I live it - and can tell you what I see is true.

Amen, Ralph.

I'm dumbfounded by your lack of knowledge.

Remember that most voters focus on domestic issues and just don't care about foreign affair. That's a bit ironic, since a president has far greater ability to shape foreign policy than domestic policy.

And remember that Bill Clinton said that, we he became president, that he was going to focus on the economy like a laser beam, even though people were concerned what was going to happen as the old Soviet Union was dissolving.

By the same token, what foreign policy experience did Barack Obama have, when he became president? Virtually none. I've heard plenty of Democrats say that they nominated the wrong person in '08. If Hillary had been the nominee, our foreign policy would be much better defined. There was the instance where Obama was trying to talk to Vladimir Putin, and Putin was ignoring Obama. Hillary would have been in his face, and Putin would be saying, "Yes, ma'am," the way Bill does.

K. Little,

Do you not remember what happened on Romney's trip to Europe in later summer. He irritated every country that he visited. Do you honestly believe his foreign policy skills are good?

Romney shoots from the hip. He complains Obama is not being forecful enough with Iran. That gives me the impression he will use war as his first choice to solve problems. Is that what this country needs, another war?

Uhm, explain to me Romney's suggestion to "just go to the ER" if you don't have health insurance?

Well Tom, I guess you don't mind when other people help pay for the education of other people's kids. No one has the right to fund education for kids, but that is exactly what is done in this state when it comes to education. How many people who don't even have kids contribute taxes toward education? If you can't afford to pay for your child's education and upbringing, then don't have one.

Please, you act as if the deficit started in January '09. Where was all this concern when Bush racked up $5 trillion in debt?

Have you looked at the plans Romney is suggesting? The CBO has said they will add to the deficit.

That's right - who can forget Obama's quote about how "deficits don't matter"?

..oh, wait...never mind, that was someone else. Sorry.

And the only concern the country club Republican corporatists have for your kids is wondering how many of them will be available to be the bus boys and waitresses at their country clubs.

Joseph R Martan... C'mon son!!! That's your comment???? Seriously GENIUS!!!!

And how about the taxpayer having to bail out the banksters on Wall Street? Billions to cover for their gambling and verkackte financial flim flam. Socializing their financial irresponsibility and arrogance on the taxpayer's back. Your indignation is very selective.

http://heraldnews.suntimes.com/opinions/15148968-474/will-colony-should-be-major-campaign-issue.html

Kind of like this nonsense? Yes, yes, Illinois is the poster child for corrupt politics. Let's not forget ACORN.

And Obama is a criminal himself with his pals Ayers, Blago, Resko and Emanuel. Oh! and let's not forget the Dope Boy Chain Gangs he called them when he was smoking his DOPE. Most likely, he is still smoking it as he cannot even speak without his mistress the Teleprompter. What a loser. And it must be the reason why he can't even solve a problem or work with Congress because he lacks cognitive abilities. We are sending you back to Kenya so you can community organize.

Governor Ryan, I think you chose the wrong post to comment on!

I am standing right next to you on this one. The unions were valuable at one time. Now they are bullies. I remember a long time back there was a new grocery store on 79th and Harlem called Auschan, I think. It was wonderful, the employees were helpful and friendly, the prices were right, the aisles were big and clean. But it wasn't union.
I pulled into the parking lot one morning with my young daughter and before I could get to the door I was confronted by picketers who scared me and also my daughter. They persisted until I turned back to my car.
The store closed. But I've never forgotten the union tactics. Never.

You seem to be set and know the aca... I respect that... I'm sure it has many holes and you know more than i do based on that you have to work with it. In the end, it's all about $$. It will be a cash cow for Ins companies and there are many parts I don't like.
Youre mistaken on regan... You also fail to give credit for many things the admisitration has done right. To fail to acknowlegde the severity of the problems that came to a boil in 09 is just plain dumb.. regardless of party affiliation. I'm not baming Bush... Glass-Steele, deregulation, banks, and gov't. All are a part. Some most likley knew what they were doing, some did not. the FACT remains, when you lose 9 million jobs due to a bubble that was created over years and years of mistakes, I TRUST the guy that has been fixing it for the last 3 years...

Chronicles of Bob, I hope you'll be happy on Obamacare. I can tell you right now that business owners are going to look at the $ 7,000 they pay annually for each employee and then decide to cancel those policies and pay the $ 2,000 a year (per employee) penalty, oops I mean tax. That will then put $ 5,000 a year per employee back into their business or they'll just pocket the difference.

By the way, where in the constitution does it say everyone is entitled to equal healthcare?

I just love people like Karen H who say things like "He's made a bigger mess". No specifics on anything. Yet people should listen to what you have to say, you got to be kidding me.

A bigger mess, you mean the one he inherited from Bush - a failing economy, two wars, a housing market that was tanking. This was after the biggest terrorist attack on American soil in 60 years that led to the death of almost 3000 people. Yet you claim Obama made things worse.

Thanks for the laugh.

My Opinion - Why did you neglect to mention the 50% tax credit small businesses will receive for the premiums paid and their exclusion from the penalty you mention? Did you read the ACA or are you just listening to what someone told you that was so scary about it?

You mean when he gives away the country to the illegals WHO SHOULD NOT BE HERE? You know, the illegals he mentioned in this firrst campaign promises but just plain forgot about? You know, the illegals he'll now address IF he's elected because he won't have to worry about a second term? You know...them? HI, the fun will start when Obama is run out of the country on a rail, tarred and feathered. Hmmmm, that WILL be fun.

Something tells me the illegal immigrant issue wasnt a concern of yours when bushCo was installed into office. Call it a hunch.

Btw, President Obama has deported way more illegals than the bushCo junta did. Thoughts?

Something tells me you're dead wrong. I wanted Bush to close the borders and deport every single last one of 'em.

No kidding. I'd like to see some bankers/traders/lobbyists hanging by their heels. Why hasnt anyone been charged with crimes related to the housing/banking crisis?

Lookin' GOOOOOOOOD!!!

The polls are heavily over-polled on the democratic side. They assume for instance in Ohio, that 13% more democrats will vote than republicans, even the democrats say that will not happen are weary of those polls. The only poll that counts is when we vote.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wed. shows both Obama and Romney attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide. 3% prefer some other candidate, and 5% are undecided. When “leaners” are included, it’s Romney 48% and Obama 46%. Leaners are those who are initially uncommitted to the two leading candidates but lean towards 1 of them when asked a follow-up question.

Household Incomes Fall In Aug., Off 8.2% Under Obama
http://news.investors.com/092512-626958-household-income-down-82-under-president-obama.aspx

Is the era of free checking accounts over?
Facing new government regulations and a lackluster economy, the financial industry is forcing customers to pay more just to park their money at the bank.
http://theweek.com/article/index/233833/is-the-era-of-free-checking-accounts-over
Low-wage work force grows 30% as the number of jobs shrinks (Chicago Sun-times)

U.S. Officials Knew Libya Attacks Were Work of Al Qaeda Affiliates
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/26/u-s-officials-knew-libya-attacks-were-work-of-al-qaeda-affiliates.html

Stop watching Chris "I get a thrill up my leg" Matthews and Rachel Madcow for your news. Go out and find out what is happening in the world from other sources, not just the MSM.

The world is falling apart and the middle east is starting to look like 1979 all over again. people want to re-elect this community organizer?

But we can't sit on our laurels folks! We have to go out and make sure everyone is registered and aware of the facts. Not just listening to Faux Noise. We still have a lot of work to do! OBAMA 2012! Also let's not forget our Congressional seats that are up for grabs. Let's take back that Congress and get things done and people working! :)

It amazes me that you wish to deport every Spanish-speaking immigrant and support a party that want to keep Americans speaking English when you clearly can't speak or write it yourself. Even when called out to review your posting grammar, you're nothing but a run-on sentence (see above). The way we speak and write is a good indicator of our intelligence. You should take more pride in that.

So cute! Searching high and low for a morsel of something that might sorta be somewhat good news this late in the game. It's an opinion article from someone who's hoping for the best. Toss up? Not bloody likely. 9%, 10% and 12% margins are well out of the margin of error. Even Fox News and WSJ can't put a bow on this one.

Reagan was behind by more this late in the game, then they debated and the rest is history.

What will Obama do without his beloved teleprompter at the debates?

Steve, I know, the NYT/Post/CBS polls have just GOT to be accurate! No bias there, or history of skewing things, ever (cue Dan Rather). There are other polls showing the swing states giving Obama at most a 5 point spread.

What do you base that fact upon? No one can ask Reagan since he is dead. Fact--Chronicles of Bob is voting for Rosanne Barr

If she is on the ballot, i would...
and he is allegedly dead....
He supported unions, bailed out banks, spent at a tremendous rate, and was pure hollywood... so yes, fact.

She is on the ballot in some states for the Green party. The point is that you have no clue who Reagan would have voted for. Yeah, he supported unions like he supported the air traffic controllers union when he fired all of them. Nice try though.

Well, there you go again Bob.

He was in support of unions? Sure he was just ask the air traffic controllers. Oh you can't, he fired them all.

Spent at a tremendous rate? How young are you? The Senate and Congress were both majority democrats who would only give him his tax cuts if they could spend money like a bunch of drunken sailors. He needed the tax cuts to spur the economy, drive down interest rates, stop inflation, and lower unemployement. Yeah, unemployment was 10% when he took office, and it didn't take two terms to get it to move lower.

Pure hollywood? Ron didn't need to be a hanger on like Obama, he had his movie star "friends" and didn't have much use for the rest of the democratic movie stars.

Chronicles, what did Reagan do with the Air traffic controller union folks? Just curious...

Who is Regan?

My God are you morons one sided... Yes, I know what he did with the air traffic controllers... You guys are well trained by Fox news... Spin everything to fit your argument. If you know that he fired them, then you know the circumstances. Then you also know that many unions helped get him elected.
Funny how you leave out so much....

Which unions specifically supported Reagan COB??? Unions are in the bag for dems... You know that... It's all part of the collective mentality. Collective healthcare, collective bargaining, collective organizing, big govt, Unions and dems... Each supporting the other.

C'mon Shawn... You do KNOW who to vote for... Take your future back... "Forward" is the new backwards... Go republican for the future of the country. You know it's the right hing to do...

Martin, you are basing your comment on three false assumptions: 1) There are only Obama ads on TV and none from Romney or groups backing Romney 2) Running ads means a campaign thinks they are losing 3) Once the candidate pulls ahead, the campaign can stop working.

Killing Bin Laden.
Ending the Iraq War
Obamacare
Ending DADT
Passed credit card reforms

Bob, can you name any successes Bush had during his 8 years in office?

Bob Warja: I have an answer for your question "what has Obama done?":
1) Passed Health Care Reform
2)Passed the Stimulus Act
3) Passed Wall Street Reform
4)Ended the war in Iraq
5)Began drawdown of war in Afghanistan
6) Saved U.S. Auto Industry
7)Eliminated Osama bin Laden
8) Toppled Moammar Quaddafi (sp?)
9)Repealed "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
10)Kicked Banks out of the Student Loan Program and expanded Pell Grant program
11)Boosted Fuel efficiency standards
12) created Race to the Top
13)Increased support for Veterans
14)Passed Credit Card Reforms
15)Achieved new START Treaty
And many more than you can look up on the below link.....
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=2
So the next time someone asks you What has our President accomplished???? You can tell them the truth! OBAMA 2012!

Carolina you left something out. He has reduced our liberties and will do so even more in a second term.

Michael, I like how you tell people they leave out the facts, then someone says the facts and you respond with the most brainless response. So what liberties did you lose out on? I sincerely want to know what you can no longer do, that you could freely and legally do 5 years ago that you can no longer do, due to an Obama policy? (I'm not even pro Obama by the way, nor Pro Romney)

"Yes he made things worse Immigration- The Dream Act."

Is the Dream Act even law yet? Is that the best you have regarding immigration, a bill that has not even been signed into law yet?
Deportations have doubled under Obama .

"The most debt created by any president in 4 years that's a good one for your kids too they'll have the burden of paying that off give him 4 more... "

Do your research if you are not to busy, but according to the CBO, Romney's plans will actually add to the deficit. If this is an important issue then why do you plan on voting for him. What exactly have the Republicans done in the last two years to reduce the deficit? - Not a thing.

"Do you want me to spend more of my valuable time giving you credilble resources to check or do you think you can manage that research on your own? "

Thanks for the link, but your response is typical. Your sense of entitlement. You act as if your time is so valuable. If it is why are you even posting here in the first place. Get off your high horse.

So you are basing your reponse on what 2% of doctors think. Out of 600,000 doctors who received an email survey, 13,575 responded.

WHY IS THE PROFESSION IN DECLINE?

Too much regulation/paperwork
Loss of clinical autonomy
Erosion of physician/patient relationship
Scope of practice encroachment
Too many part-time doctors
Money trumps patient care
Physicians not compensated for quality

I suppose you are going to blame Obama for these issues

That is a fascinating survey, Karen. However, I don't believe you realize the scope of it. The practitioners exhibiting the most apprehension are those that are further along in their careers; those that recall a time when insurance premiums were lower and malpractice wasn't nearly what it was. You should have noted that the younger doctors are more positive about their profession. With the fear of rising costs and the hesitancy to extend care to Medicare/Medicaid patients, the only theme I clearly see is that the money isn't what it used to be. Also, this is a poll of the profession in general over time and NOT a poll of the response to the ACA.

Ah, I see Logansdad had the same assessment of your survey that I did and that you failed to see; this is mostly about money. Money trumping patient care. It had very little to do with the fear mongoring from certain people over the ACA. Your survey noted that 92% of them aren't even sure how they will fit into it once fully enacted.

Unlike Bush who promised to get him and never did. Give me a break.

Really???!!!! As the Commander in Chief, that was a major decision that he had to make and he made it, knowing the risks to our troops involved. Yes! He gave the order and YES! he deserves the credit. Bush for all his bluster and grandstanding couldn't get the job done and instead took us to an unnecessary war that costs thousands of American lives. If I tire you so much, please stop posting. Thank you.

Karen, look up Tora Bora. Yet another example of a bushCo epic failure.

Carolina, based on the Republican philosophy Bush shouldn't get any credit for killing Saddam Hussein. After all he just gave an order.

Logansdad, my little simpleton!! So glad to find you here!! Are you spewing your knowledge everywhere?? Deep thinker here folks!! Careful! He will dazzle you with his brilliant observations!! Simpletonian Express ready to board!!

OMG logins dad... Bush does not WANT personal credit for capturing SH... That's the difference... Too simple for you??

Carolina, a collection of GOP trolls couldnt fill a 5 gallon bucket with their intelligence. Dont let it get to you, they're a dying breed. Soon their kind will be in the ash heap of history.

Tora Bora.

And you need to be working, right?

So Karen, in 1981 who brought the Iran hostages home? I'm guessing you will say President Reagan did. Funny how you pin any failure or perceived failure on President Obama, but any credit for success goes elsewhere. Yes the Seals and the military and a number of our intelligence agencies are heros who did their jobs with great honor.

But the fact of the matter is that President Obama gave the order as Commander in Chief. If the mission failed, you sure as hell would be blaming the President for the deaths of those same Navy Seals by giving an order. Was it President Carter's fault that the Iran hostage rescue mission failed? You can't have it both ways.

Please stop pretending that you run a practice. It's become quite clear that you are most likely a receptionist for a physician in private practice. Great, now that we got that out of the way, carry on with your nonsensical rants. They're a joy to pick apart.

I really doubt your time is so valuable with the time you spent on the Patch today.

Is it really that difficult to post a link so people know what you are actually talking about. You kept referring to the Dream Act and yet it was something else. Like we are all supposed to know what you are referring to? If you wish to debate a topic, you should be able to support your argument with facts.

Yes I would support that. It helps the children and their education. What exactly are you paying for in it?
This is the IL DREAM ACT: Gov. Pat Quinn today signed a measure into law creating a privately-funded scholarship program for documented and undocumented immigrants.

Where does it say it will be funded through public funds?

"all hell broke loose when Obama stuck fingers in healthcare plus things you know nothing about that cost physicians outrageous amounts of money to comply."

Based on what you provided it seems like problems existed long before ACA was enacted. You sound like Chicken Little - the sky is about to fall

Logansdad
4:21 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 "This is the IL DREAM ACT: Gov. Pat Quinn today signed a measure into law creating a privately-funded scholarship program for documented and undocumented immigrants.

Where does it say it will be funded through public funds?"

So far, there are no public funds going toward educating illegal people in Illinois - Though, the state of Illinois will manage the "account" which will be funded by taxpayers who are against paying for illegal aliens. Gee, if you are illegal, you can get the resident rate for college in California; something my children can't get if they head west. Doesn't anybody see what's fundamentally wrong here?

Garry, your information is dead wrong:

"Illinois made it easier for illegal immigrants to pay for college when Gov. Pat Quinn signed a law Monday creating a privately funded college scholarship program.
The Illinois Dream Act creates a nine-member commission to establish scholarships for immigrant children with private donations, not taxpayer money."

Each state has their own residency requirements to get cheaper tutition. If you can't get the residency rate for schools in California how is that Obama's fault. You could always do what the Republican's keep suggesting - move.

No dad, you are wrong:

The Illinois Dream Act creates a nine-member commission to establish scholarships for immigrant children with private donations, not taxpayer money."

Each state has their own residency requirements to get cheaper tutition. If you can't get the residency rate for schools in California how is that Obama's fault. You could always do what the Republican's keep suggesting - move.

1. Who is paying for nine state employees to work full time on giving scholarships to illegals? (I don't care how minute the cost may be - which is an 'I really don't care' for liberals).
2. I never said CA giving in-state tuition to illegals was Obama's fault. Funny how a state that is bankrupt is being so magnanimous. CA has a long history of being fleeced by illegals..hmmm, possible connection?

"1. Who is paying for nine state employees to work full time on giving scholarships to illegals? (I don't care how minute the cost may be - which is an 'I really don't care' for liberals)."

Wow, is this the best you can do Garry?
Did you ever stop and think that people who don't even have kids, people who live in Illinois have supported your kid's education through the property taxes they have paid. Yet you want to complain about something as little as the salaries for the nine member board.

You republicans think your so entitled to everything. You always think you are getting fleeced when you have to pay for something you don't use.

dad, the long and the short of it is - illegals are not entitled to anything - period. If you want them to have an education, you and your fellow libs should pay for it. I don't give a rats rear end how small the nine government salaries are.. Comparing illegals to american schools kids is apples and oranges. This is supposed to be a land of laws; liberals want to tweak that system for their own ideological reasons. Once again, you pay for it.

"the long and the short of it is - illegals are not entitled to anything - period."

Based on your rant, you think your kids are. Well they are not entitled to anything period.

Furthermore I do not see anything wrong with helping these kids further their eductaion if it means they have to serve in the miliatry to get it (what was proposed in the federal Dream Act Bill).

"Comparing illegals to american schools kids is apples and oranges"
I am comparing school kids to school kids. You are just upset because you think your children deserve something that are not currently getting.

So I guess you have no problem with other people paying for your children's eductaion through their property taxes.

"Comparing illegals to american schools kids is apples and oranges"
I am comparing school kids to school kids. You are just upset because you think your children deserve something that are not currently getting.

So I guess you have no problem with other people paying for your children's eductaion through their property taxes.

WTF are you talking about? You have completely lost it on that first statement. I am only upset that liberals like you look the other way while people like me pay for the education/medical Rx, et al for illegal criminals in this country - education being given to those who use fake ID's. The fact that I and other Americans pay taxes of which some funds goes to schools is irrelevant when it comes illegal criminals in this country. They are entitled to NOTHING. Let an illegal set up house in your home and see if you still call yourself liberal after he fleeces you of everything you own. I am done talking to you about this; you fund them.

Garry, it would appear as if you don't care about anyone but yourself. Where is all that compassionate conservatism, the Republicans are supposed to have.

The Dream Act is about education not medical expense so lets stick to that topic.

As far ad illegals not paying for things, they do pay sales taxes - the same sales taxes you do. Some also pay income taxes. They pay rent just like most people, which goes to the landlord so he can pay his mortgage and property taxes. Those same property taxes which funds schools for your kids.

Stop acting as if every illegal is a drain to the system. Stop acting as if your kids are entitled to getting their schooling paid through property taxes. They are not. If you wanted kids you should have to pay their FULL SHARE.

Logansdad - you have completely missed the point. These people are in this country ILLEGALLY. They are not entitled to ANYTHING. American citizens are entitled to every and anything the law provides; if this were not true, you and your family would not be entitled to even the smallest of services the law provides.. You are the epitome of a socialist, and choose to ignore the laws of land in lieu of what you call "compassion". Lets just say you are for open borders and amnesty for all illegal criminals in this country and leave it at that.. We have nothing more to discuss..

Garry: "These people are in this country ILLEGALLY. They are not entitled to ANYTHING. American citizens are entitled to every and anything the law provides; if this were not true, you and your family would not be entitled to even the smallest of services the law provides."

You might want to read up on the law and what it actually provides to illegals. The law does provide basic services to illegals and they are entitled to it. The are entitled to the basic protections provided by the police and fire department and basic medical coverage from the emergency room. The law says they are entitled to it.

Just because they are not here legally doesn't mean they are not entitled to same basic treatment any human deserves.

"You are the epitome of a socialist, and choose to ignore the laws of land in lieu of what you call "compassion"."

You don't even know what socialist means. You just parrot whatever is talked about on Faux news. At least I am not demanding other people pay for my kids education. Talk about being an elitist.

"Lets just say you are for open borders and amnesty for all illegal criminals in this country and leave it at that.."

I'd rather have the illegals work toward getting their citizenship, than just building a wall like Mittens wants to do. I guess you'd rather have your tax dollars going toward building a wall to keep the illegals out.

@ dad. Why do you lock your doors? Based on the spirit of your argument, any illegal person should be allowed to enter your home and set up residence. They should be allowed to shelter, the contents of your medicine cabinet and books for knowledge. You would NEVER let that happen...and you know it. Build those walls!!!

I did not demean the position of office manager, receptionist, etc... I do value them as very important members of the workforce. As Obama would...as Romney would not. What I did do was assess your level of intelligence based on the il-supported facts you espouse and your inability to value the English language. I just have a hard time believing anyone like you can operate a successful business. Good for you. Though I would suggest that you get out there and operate said business rather than spend most of your day here, looking not-so-smart.

You are worried about something that hasn't even became a law yet.
You are tired of paying for illegals. What about all the people in this state that don't have children but yet have to pay to send local kids to school through their property taxes. I am tired of paying for Bush's War. I'll make you a deal you pay my share of Bush's Wars and I will pay for your share of the Dream Act.

You said earlier medical costs are going up - it sounds like the whole professional needs an overhaul because it isn't run efficiently. Most of which started long before the ACA was considered.

Karen. Please define "mandates", just want to be clear on what you mean that is so bad for physician practices. They're bigger problem is ICD10 which has nothing to do with the ACA.

I am against the feds being involved in education, it should all go back to the local communities or privatized. I am against the patriot act as it violates the 4th amendment. I don't even fly anymore because I do not want to be searched, I have not done anything that gives them cause to search me. I will not have the liberty to make my own health care decisions, He is working on restricting guns and has voted and supported gun bans in the past, and a number of other things that are to lengthy to list.

You will make your own health care decisions... he didnt start the patriot act... he didnt start no child left behind... bush was responsible for some of the biggest expansions of govt.... so again, how has obama limited yoir liberties?

I work in health care and we have already had the in-services and meetings, you do not make all your own healthcare decisions. The Independent Payment Advisory Board will make those decisions. Read this http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302876/ipab-obamacare-s-super-legislature-michael-f-cannon and yes we have already been notified by the IPAB. For example, if your doctor thinks you should have a certain test like a CT, the govt can override the decision and force you to have the test that they want you to have before the CT is done. If you are having chest pains and your doctor thinks you should have a heart cath, the govt can override it in favor of medications. So you and your doctor have to ask permission first. OBAMA HAS CONTINUED THE PATRIOT ACT AND HE HAS STARTED HIS OWN EDUCATION PROGRAM.

I meant to say we have been notified of the IPAB board and the resources that it will require when it is implemented.

Don't fight amongst yourselves people. That's what "They" want you to do. Like I'm sure you know it's a tactic commonly referred to as "divide and conquer". The enemy is in Washington, D.C. and the various state capitols. You all are pursuing the wrong target. What you fail to realize is that the global corporations running the show have no national allegiance, they may reside here but they have multiple residences in other countries. "They" are known as internationalist. "They" don't give a rats a-- about our country. Their loyalties lie in money and power, that's all. Unless we all get on the same page this country as we know it will soon be forgotten history. What are you going to tell your kids when they eventually figure out that we sold them out?

Did you just say " idiots"?

ummmmm Tortured and sodomized?!? Where do you get your stories from? You realize there has been video released of the last moments when they pulled his body out of the smoking building and tried to revive him? But I'm guessing that was just Obama skills as a computed special effects wizard he got in some HIndu country he was born and raised in.....

Last moments of his life*

Francis' Best Friend-Can you post the link to the video or story that indicates they trie to revive him? I remember it as a display of his body, I did not see anyone doing CPR. And the source for the sodomy charge is the Libyan govt, here is just one article, the AP alos has the same story http://www.inquisitr.com/330504/ambassador-stevens-was-raped-before-his-murder-reports-claim/

Washington Times article reports on the rape- http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/tygrrrr-express/2012/sep/13/kill-every-islamist-and-eat-bacon-their-graves/

So an islamic newspaper, says that his body was presented to them like Qaddafi, therefore he must have been sodomized. And then you also believe a story labled "Kill every Islamist and eat bacon in their grave." Seems like a slightly one sided view point. You search and search for something to grasp. there is no references in any of the stories to facts. Just a source and the way a body was laid on the ground. Good job, super sleuth.

Knocking the competition does nothing to elevate your guy. It makes you look small.

To late Chronicles of Bob!!

To late for what Micheal M?

Both parties have been calling the POTUS Hitler for years. It has lost it's shock value.
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/bstein80/moveonorgs-ad-comparing-bush-to-hitler
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612
https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+compared+to+hitler&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=hec&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=I3tkUImGF4jMyQGT0oHQAw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=663

Time to get over it and expect it. In 100 years from now they will be doing the same thing.

Amen COB

WOW powerful words from Brother Billable!!! My straight up AMEN to COB just seems inadequate now despite being so well deserved!!!!

AMEN COB!!!! Hopefully they will see the factual light!!! I even put my dog down for this because I didn't know if he was welcome at this "ceremony"! I didn't want to disrespect the factman!!!

Billable is probably out getting his free phone.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpAOwJvTOio

There is nothing the Tea Party is selling that I'm buying!!! Way right (and way left) are not the answer. Unil we begin to meet half way on the problems plaguing our country nothing will ever get accpomplished!!!!I

Tough, you are correct. Too far right or too far left are dangerous places to be. I keep saying partisan politics is killing our country but the crazies just don't get it. If we all meet in the middle, we may have a chance.

ivent/nancygrace/stripes/butch,
If Bain Capitol is so bad, maybe you could explain why these organizations entrust Bain with their money:
* Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund ($2.2 million)
* Indiana Public Retirement System ($39.3 million)
* Iowa Public Employees’ Retirement System ($177.1 million)
* The Los Angeles Fire and Police Pension System ($19.5 million)
* Maryland State Retirement and Pension System ($117.5 million)
* Public Employees’ Retirement System of Nevada ($20.3 million)
* State Teachers Retirement System of Ohio ($767.3 million)
* Pennsylvania State Employees’ Retirement System ($231.5 million)
* Employees’ Retirement System of Rhode Island ($25 million)
* San Diego County Employees Retirement Association ($23.5 million)
* Teacher Retirement System of Texas ($122.5 million)
* Tennessee Consolidated Retirement System ($15 million)
These funds aggregate the savings of millions of unionized teachers, social workers, public-health personnel and first responders. You know, the very same people that are talking about what a rotten corporation Bain is. Even Obama's sweetheart Oprah Winfrey has used Bain Capitol to help the Oprah Winfrey Foundation make money.

You are right, The number of jobs outsourced does not exist. However, I'm sure that if you wanted to go back and look at every business that Bain was involved with, see where they were before Bain, and then compare that to where they are now, you could figure that out. Please let me know the results. Since Bain outsourced everything, that shouldn't take too long.
Hiding something? Come on, now you sound like a birther.
We are here discussing this because it isn't apples to apples.

"Here is another comparison for you. Romneycare in Mass. vs Obamacare"

Which person still supports their piece of legislation? Obama.

At one point in time, Romney thought his piece of legislation should be an example for the nation to follow.

Some facts about Bain Capital:
http://www.enewspf.com/opinion/36131-fact-check-romneys-tenure-at-bain-was-defined-by-layoffs-bankruptcies-outsourcing.html

Hey Tired, if Romney gets elected maybe he can sell the naming rights of the capital building...It may become the Bain Capital Building. Then Bain can outsource all the jobs to China.

How come it is wrong for Bain Capitol to make money by "outsourcing jobs", but when all the others, like Oprah, make money because of Bain, it's OK?
While we are talking about outsourcing jobs, it would be wrong to not include Jeff Immelt , CEO of GE and Chairman of Obama's job council. Since Jeff took over as CEO of GE, the company has lost 37,000 American jobs while adding 25,000 jobs overseas.

Is Jeff Immelt, a presidential candidate, running on a platform on not outsourcing jobs? Unless he is running as an independent candidate, the answer is No.

“They’ve been able to put American businesses out of business and kill American jobs,” he told workers at a Toledo fence factory in February. “If I’m president of the United States, that’s going to end.” - Mitt Romney

So it is ok for Romney to make millions as CEO of a company that outsources jobs, but now he says he will put an end to it. Does Romney plan on giving back all the millions he made when he thought outsourcing was in the best interest of his shareholders.

No, Immult is not running for office, but he is Obama's jobs czar and is responsible for advising the president on how to create jobs in the US. At the same time, he is outsourcing jobs at a rate of about 3400 jobs a year.

So your point is to vote for Romney because he made millions off outsourcing jobs and is better the choice because now he knows not what to do in order to create jobs and how to keep those jobs in America?

How many jobs did Bain Capital/Romney outsource per year?

Can you tell me if Jeff Immelt is investing in foreign companies that are dependent on American companies outsourcing production?

Tired are any of the others you are listing running for POTUS??? The only corporate tax break businsses should get is based on how many American jobs they create!!!! Corporations will be fighting over each other to provide the most jobs possible!!!!

I never said to vote for anybody. I just thought it was funny that when Romney makes money by "outsourcing" it is bad, but a lot of unionized teachers, social workers, public health personnel and first responders and even Oprah Winfrey invested with Bain Capitol and made money and that's OK.
I can't tell you if Jeff Immult is investing in foreign companies, but Obama invests with Vanguard 500 Index Fund. This fund invest in America's largest corporations.
This funds largest holding are with Apple (about $3.2 billion). Not long ago, Apple boasted that its products were made in America. Today, few are. Almost all of the 70 million iPhones, 30 million iPads and 59 million other products Apple sold last year were manufactured overseas. Obama profited from that. The mutual fund that the Obamas have invested in also held 94,582,281 million shares of General Electric, valued at $1.4 billion, as of the SEC filing. The multinational conglomerate has a long history of outsourcing, in 1989, G.E. became the first U.S. company to outsource software work to India. In addition to Apple and GE, the Obamas’ fund listed 10,655,961 shares of International Business Machines, valued at $1.9 billion. The technology giant has been steadily building its work force in India and other locations while reducing the number of workers based in the U.S. Foreign workers accounted for 71% of Big Blue’s nearly 400,000 employees at the start of the year, up from about 65% in 2006.

"I just thought it was funny that when Romney makes money by "outsourcing" it is bad, but a lot of unionized teachers, social workers, public health personnel and first responders and even Oprah Winfrey invested with Bain Capitol and made money and that's OK."

A little different - Romney was the CEO. He directed what the company did and did not do. He had a direct say in the outsourcing. Those groups invested in the Bain, they did not do any outsourcing themselves. They only profitted if Bain profited.

"This fund invest in America's largest corporations. This funds largest holding are with Apple "

While that is true. The top 10 companies in the fund make up 21% of the total net assets so that tells me the fund is very diverse and you can't say anyone one's profits because of this fund is due to Apple.

@Tough On The Inside
Here was my point:

Romney making money because of Bain is a bad thing.
A lot of people that criticize Romney for making money because of Bain, invest with Bain and make money and that's OK.
How come it is bad for Romney but OK for Oprah?
Can you say hypocrisy?

@Logansdad
"A little different - Romney was the CEO. He directed what the company did and did not do. He had a direct say in the outsourcing. Those groups invested in the Bain, they did not do any outsourcing themselves. They only profitted if Bain profited."
That makes no sense. If those groups did not invest with Bain, there would be no Bain. Investing in a company shows that you either agree with that companies business plan or don't care about their plan as long as it makes you money. Which one is it?
"This fund invest in America's largest corporations. This funds largest holding are with Apple "

While that is true. The top 10 companies in the fund make up 21% of the total net assets so that tells me the fund is very diverse and you can't say anyone one's profits because of this fund is due to Apple.
I had to use this one from you because you said I was correct about something!!!lol
While Vanguard does have a very diverse portfolio, to say that Apple has nothing to do with the profits generated by Vanguard makes me wonder...Why is Vanguard's largest holding (about $3.2 billion) Apple? If Apple has nothing to do with the profit that Vanguard makes, as you say, wouldn't it be a good idea to take that $3.2 billion and invest it elsewhere?

"That makes no sense. If those groups did not invest with Bain, there would be no Bain. Investing in a company shows that you either agree with that companies business plan or don't care about their plan as long as it makes you money. Which one is it? "

Oh please, how many millionaires invested with Madoff. Are you going to tell me those people knew about where the money was invested? If they did, do you think they would have invested in the first place. No they were just concerned about making money. If those groups were not making money on their investments, do you honestly think they would be staying with Bain.

"Why is Vanguard's largest holding (about $3.2 billion) Apple? If Apple has nothing to do with the profit that Vanguard makes, as you say, wouldn't it be a good idea to take that $3.2 billion and invest it elsewhere?"

What I am saying is that the top 10 companies represented 21% of the total. Apple alone is not driving the profitability of that fund. Number on the list is Exxon. Do you want to talk about how much in profits that company is making.

Compare Apples profits to Exxon's profits for 2011 - Exxon had more in profits.

So there you go, as you just said, it is all about making money.
I was just bringing up the fact that a lot of people that profit from Bain's business practices are the same people that are saying those business practices are wrong.
Seems a little hypocritical to me.
As far as Apple being a $3.2 billion investment for Vanguard, you said, " you can't say anyone one's profits because of this fund is due to Apple." I would think that those in charge of Vanguard would disagree with you on that. About 3.2 billion times. Nobody would invest $3.2 billion in a company that would not give some kind of a return on that investment.
Exxon being part of Vanguard is true, the same is true of about 500 other companies.
My point was to show that even Obama invests with companies that outsource jobs to overseas.

"I was just bringing up the fact that a lot of people that profit from Bain's business practices are the same people that are saying those business practices are wrong."

Yes it is about the money. However you fail to see the difference between the people investing and the CEO of the company. The CEO of the company knows how the company makes their money while the average investor does not. Are you going to tell me that if you invested in JP Morgan, you will know every function of that business?

You also fail to see the irony in what Romney is saying. He says it is wrong for company to ship jobs overseas because it hurts American companies, but yet it was ok when he did it, while CEO of Bain. Talk about being a hypocrite

"My point was to show that even Obama invests with companies that outsource jobs to overseas."

So you know Obama has Apple stock directly? Obama was investing in a fund with a Vanguard. Obama has no control over which companies are in the fund.

I do not know if Obama has Apple stock. I do know that he and his wife have a lot of money invested with Vanguard which in turn has a lot of money invested with Apple.
You say that he cannot control which companies Vanguard invests in, that's true, but he can control what his investments are and if he is so against outsourcing, I would think that investing in a company that lists Apple as their #1 investment would not be on his list.
All you talk about is the outsourcing and jobs lost by Bain, what about the thousands of Americans that have jobs because of Bain?
90,000 jobs at Staples, 15,000 jobs at Sports Authority, 15,000 jobs at Bright Horizons Children's Centers, and Steel Dynamics in Indiana employs thousands.
How many jobs has Obama created in his career as a businessman?

Don't you just love it!! Obama's Job Czar & CEO of General Electric, Jeff Immelt, outsources 130,000 jobs, and this administration and democrats have audacity to criticize Romney - a man with business experience unlike the POTUS. That is gall. There is absolutely nothing else to say on the subject of 'outsourcing', except the hgypocricy is thick.

Tire care to list the number of jobs that were outsourced under Bain. Oh wsit you cant because that number doesnt exist. What is Romney trying to hide?

Nice diversion. Obama wasnt a businessman. Care to compare apples to apples.

" However, I'm sure that if you wanted to go back and look at every business that Bain was involved with, see where they were before Bain, and then compare that to where they are now, you could figure that out. Please let me know the results. "

What's the matter, you can't even do your own research. If the number matters to you so much, you look it up.

"We are here discussing this because it isn't apples to apples."

Well then you can't get an accurate comparison so what is the point.

OK, here's an accurate comparison:

Jobs created by Romney in the private sector..Hundreds of thousands
Jobs created by Obama in the private sector ..0

Most of the businesses in which Bain invested were not outsourcers. It's not cost effective to make Dunkin Donuts in China, or to have people from Bangalore man the checkout counter at Staples. BUT outsourcing is a business fact of life, driven by the way capital moves around the world, and the huge disparity in wages between the west and the third world. Romney at least understands this dynamic, and if you believe he would, as president, actually promote job shifts out of the US you should see a psychiatrist as your paranoia is off the charts. But. Because Romney understands the actual demands of business, he is best able to formulate policy that works in the real world of business. The sum total of Obama's private business experience is some part time work at a small law firm bringing civil rights lawsuits against businesses. He can say he is against outsourcing and bemoan the lack of job growth but he has no clue how job creation (and loss) work in the private sector. Even Bill Clinton (before he was woodshedded by Axelrod et al) admitted that Romney had "stellar" business credentials. As the Vulcans say, "Only Nixon could go to China"

Here's another:

Jobs outsourced by Romney in the private sector: more than one because Romney never kept records.
Jobs outsourced by Obama in the private sector : none

"Romney at least understands this dynamic, and if you believe he would, as president, actually promote job shifts out of the US you should see a psychiatrist as your paranoia is off the charts...Because Romney understands the actual demands of business, he is best able to formulate policy that works in the real world of business."

The only thing Romney understands is how to make a profit - a profit at any cost. The US is not a business and can not be run as such. Has any president actually promoted job shifts outside of the US?

"The sum total of Obama's private business experience is some part time work at a small law firm bringing civil rights lawsuits against businesses."

So what you are trying to say is we need a president that has business experience? Didn't the last president have a lot of business experience? Look where all that business experience got us. Sorry but business experience is not the be all and end all that you are trying to make it.

@Logansdad
Here is another comparison for you. Romneycare in Mass. vs Obamacare

1. The majority of people living in Mass. wanted Romneycare. The majority of people in the U.S. did not want Obamacare.
2.Romneycare was 70 pages long and understood before it was signed into law. Obamacare was 2074 pages long and "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it"
3.Romneycare required no new taxes and no cuts to medicare and only added 1% to the state budget. Obamacare is a tax and nobody knows what it will end up costing.
4.Romneycare is very popular in the state and has strong bipartisan support. Obamacare is not very popular in the country and has no bipartisan support.

@dad..you're correct. Obama never was a business man, and it shows. He has this economy spiraling even deeper. He said he'd fix it - he didn't. Time to go. Keep beating up on Romney... He has more business sense in his thumb than Obama has in his - period. I'm done with this .. it's boring.

There are many levels of disgraceful that all go back to the days of the 666 but we are too stressed and or busy to research it and the origins of everything that became misinformation and disinformation that all of these TPARTY and real Americans think is on the level, the so called business expertise of the BUSHES and TWIT are simple and straight forward but we argue about capitalism and it should be slavery and robber barons, Twit did not become the first GOP TPARTY slavery and child labor executive in the peoples Rep Neil Bush did for the family trust and yer children's future was sealed when BARRY GOLDWATER rightly said " TRICKY DICK NIXON was the biggest SOB of all time" BARRY the darling of the last century's Conny's had his family holdings in Taiwan, he was talking about NIXON and his JEWISH lapdog' his words" opening up RED CHINA for the BUSHES thanks to the Emir of Kuwait then TWIT and TPARTY leadership

Butch, may I ask.... how old are you?

If you like that, check out this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9htwW21K8s&feature=related

and there you go...

or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woBC5b3Ti0M&feature=related

pretty funny stuff.

Forgot your meds again?

Keep the faith....

Yes Butch, that is a clue <g>. It is just unusual to witness an adult speak in such slang. Thank you for your service.

ButchyBoy - Hey, I'm as irritated by the radical teaparty wing as anyone, but when you post long, rambling, shouting rants I can't even bring myself to read what you wrote. That method doesn't work, no matter which side you're on.

Go ahead,,. List those measures... Please let us know thise same old tired Right wing arguments that are basless and with spun facts... Tell us how less people are working, but fail to mention that there have been 3 straigt years of growth.
Tell us how the deficit is at 16 trill, but fail to mention a Tarp program supported by most, 2 unfunded wars, unfunded SS, unfunded no child left behind...

Spoken like a true left wing liberal Bob. You perfectly covered every one of the Obama talking points. Hey, you probably thought that Obama's trillion dollar "stimulus" package was helpful, and that "cash for clunkers", now that was a great idea. Oh yes, and let's not forget "Obama-care".........what a fantastic move that was. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Typical Right Wing hannity robot... You're first in line for what the gov't does for ya, and first to bash it. You act like ou know so much and you don't know the first thing how to run or defend a country... Keep crying like a little baby...
Look , wow, did we get anywhere.... Your post proved my point... I predicted what you would say and you said it anyway... Idiot...

spoken like a true SON of LUCIFER 666

Bob, you are obviously immature and uninformed. It's really not worth arguing with you anymore. Have a nice life.

You can't even give actual reasons to your original claim. Look in the morror buddy... However, thanks for being so polite. I hope you have a nice life as well. The kindness is returned with a warm heart... Wait, this is awkward... Were you being sarcastic?

You are seriously disturbed...

Bears!

Soccer score?

Who the heck watches soccer? Go back to Europe you anti american, muslim, socialist, maxist, commie, oblammer lover....

Oh "GRyan (respond to myself) rant Snap!!!!"

WOW another LYIN a mentally challenged FASCIST one at that
Remove the American and put in a MURKAN we did that now this nitwit Ryan wants a MORMON BISHOP draft dodger PATRIOT who is owned by the friggin GOLDEN Calf worshiping RED ARMY JEW who is the VICE LORD of the peoples paradise, yer not disturbed yer a FRIGGIN FELLOW TRAVELER who has no concept of decency while you are criticizing the PRESIDENT for bowing to officials you and yer scum ignore the hand holding and kissing THE SAUDI KING it is part of the tradition of flag wavin fag's and is almost as comical as bringing the BUSH FAMILY murderer TO JUSTICE!
WHEN DID THE LAW MATTER to BUSHEVIKS and LOG CABIN GOP faggots who falsified and created fraudulent documents to invade IRAQ for the seven sisters rangers and Helliburton, the puny disgust on wearing a flag pin is misinformation along with most of this garbage, using deleted uranium on civilians and enemy combatants is defacing humanity and civility which scum like u have no notion of. nor about the Great constitution rhetoric all GOPTPARTY buffoons yell about

Chronicles of Bob: You must be of the 46% "deadbeats' of this country. As you are always on this thread. Don't you work? Don't you lying liberals have any other productive things to do but insult? The Con-Man-in-Chief will be removed so get use to it!

Isn't this Madrid Patch? Why the heck am I getting New Lenox???? (never heard of such a country) news here?

What a disturbing pile of idiotic tea party right wing garbage.G, Ryan you live in a very twisted world full of misconceptions,distortions twisted truths and lies. Yea Romney, what a great choice, the guy that thinks getting paid 25 cents an hour in his China factory investment is wonderful for those workers over there.Child labor and crappy living conditions, no problem.

Marxist? I thought he was a socialist Muslim or wad that's commie Muslim? With so many lies and baseless accusations, it's hard to keep track.

I suggest you get used to having President Obama around since he will easily win this election while you crazed far right-wingers forget to vote while frothing at the mouth and pounding on your keyboards screaming out how dangerous "Oblamer" is.

It will be interesting when we're on the road to prosperity (if a Republican Congress doesn't screw it up) and you loons will be faced with Hillary in 2016. Won't that be fun. G. Ryan, do you think you'll survive?

Butch..do you always have "mush" in your mouth? You and your googling co-horts here are the other 1% Mr. Romney was speaking about the "deadbeats" of this great Republic. But there is HOPE and CHANGE for you because once Obummer loses this election, I hear he is planning to place his TELEPROMPTER for sale on E-bay so you might want to place your bid in soon. And guess what? YES..YOU CAN. But I know you didn't do that on your own????

President Obama

Obama

Great question Edward. If you look at these two guys as job applicants, Mitt Romney is the obvious choice. Mr. Obama was unqualified for the job when he was first elected, and has proven to be an absolute failure over the last four years. He has exceeded his level of incompetence.

President Obama,
Without question!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have no clue about fascism nitwit, the seed money for BAIN was the DRUG smugglers and fascist ARENA PARTY who killed the Archbishop of Salvador and a dozen Maryknoll nuns and dozens of other Christian Protestant and CATHOLIC MISSIONARY'S none were LDS BISHOP TAX DRAFT -TAX DODGERS,
u have a choice with TWIT U CAN BE A NAZI investor in BAIN or a COMMIE fellow traveler owned by a JEW VICE LORD and partner of the RED ARMY OFFSHORE OIL GAS CORP.take yer pick

It is understandable that TWIT the RED ARMY PUPPET IS THE CHOICE OF A 666 SATANIST or is it son of LUCIFER, his original and primary backers assassinated Archbishop Romero and killed any nun and missionary who was against their 10 cents (in those days) a hr BAIN WAGES.

Butch,
You are full of crap. What a bitter sad person.

Butch,
Thank you for your mindless rant and lack of punctuation. Also, your caps lock key seems to be malfunctioning.

The caps lock button is on the left side of the keyboard just above the shift button and is not necessary to use every other word. And by the way, Alex Jones called, he said stop stealing his act.