'New Rules': Mayor Wants More Decorum at Village Board Meetngs
Dave Heilmann wonders why village board members can't all get along.
Attempting to put an end to the “unnecessary fighting,” Mayor Dave Heilmann will be proposing an amendment to the village code regarding decorum at Oak Lawn Village Board meetings.
Heilmann plans to introduce nine amendments to the Title I, Section 6-5, Rules and Order of the village code during Tuesday’s village board meeting.
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“The purpose of this amendment is to get us back to proper conduct at board meetings,” the mayor said. “I do think residents would like us to act professionally and we owe them that. Hopefully this is a step toward that.”
Oak Lawn’s “Rules of Order” are based on Robert’s Rules, which date back to 1876 and are considered the gold standard to running meetings and conferences effectively and fairly.
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Heilmann wants remarks in debates confined to the merits of the motion and germane to the question or issue pending. He also wants village trustees to avoid personalities and using members’ names during debate.
Board members must address all remarks through the chair, in this case, the mayor. Trustees also may not address each other or ask questions of each other and limit remarks during debate to five minutes.
“We already have as part of our code that we will follow Robert’s Rules,” Heilmann said. “There is nothing to preclude us from adding specific items to our code on order and decorum.”
Not that he’s pointing fingers at any one, village board member: “We all need to do a better job at this,” Heilmann said.
Has the Oak Lawn Village Board reverted back to its combative ways?
“I certainly think there’s been too many times where there has been unnecessary fighting,” the mayor said. “I just think the focus has to be on moving forward on issues of importance to residents, not left or right at the board table.”
There are some board members who want to stop the fighting, the mayor explained.
“That’s what’s behind my push. You respect everyone,” he said. “Of course there is freedom of speech, but there are still rules of decorum. You don’t see this kind of fighting in most municipal boards.”
The Oak Lawn Village Board meeting starts at 7:30 p.m. tonight (Tuesday) at Village Hall, 9466 S. Raymond Ave. The meetings are free and open to the public.
Sandra Bury
6:20 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Everyone wants more decorum at board meetings. Sadly, that's not what the Mayor is proposing.
He is attempting to modify our Municipal Code in this fashion: “Whenever the chair becomes convinced that one or more members are using parliamentary forms or agenda items for obstructive purposes, the chairman should either not recognize those members or rule that such motions are out of order.”
Sandra Bury
6:20 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
It effectively allows him to quiet ANY voice of dissent during board meetings ANY time he pleases. Mayor Heilmann went outside of Roberts Rules at the last board meeting to quiet my Trustee before he even spoke. Trustee Alex was neither disruptive, disrepectful nor out of order in any way. This proposed amendement would make it legal for Mayor Heilmann to arbitrarily quiet any voice of opposition any time he wants.
This is wrong.
It’s not Communist tanks rolling down 95th Street, but it’s just as chiling. I hope the Trustees vote for the democratic process we just celebrated so beautifully on July 4th and tell the Mayor that their voices and the voices of residents shall be heard, even if it might be something the Mayor may not personally enjoy hearing.
OakLawnGuy
6:37 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
I don't trust the trustees to vote against these measures for any other reason but to allow some of them to continue firing off at will. Mr Olejniczak certainly does make comments out of turn, perhaps not as often as Mr Phelan but it just happened at the last meeting. It's the right of the guy running the meeting to gavel people out, at any level of government. Is that right abused? Sure - witness the meetings of the Kolb/Stancik/Powers era. Will it be abused? I think it's wrong to assume that's going to be the case here. Just watch the meetings, and voice your opinions if and when the hammer comes down too heavily.
If the trustees truly want to be heard, they'll follow Mr. Streit's lead and recite a speech at each outing - featuring meatier subjects than what they usually broach. If they get gaveled out, then there's a problem.
Dave W.
5:10 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Had me, Dr. Bury, until you went all "Communist Tanks" on us. No, this is NOT even REMOTELY as chilling as tanks, Communist or otherwise, rolling down 95th Street. Hyperbole much?
You diminish a valid point by stretching to make your point.
QC
5:02 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
(Regarding Robert’s Rules) Notice the dates
Oak Lawn Trustee Carol Quinlan outlines her plans and goals for her next term
http://oaklawn.patch.com/articles/quinlan-looks-back-on-first-term-rebuts-challenger By Carol Quinlan
March 12, 2011
Oak Lawn Village Board Trustee Carol Quinlan is running for her second term in District 5. Credit Lorraine Swanson
While reading my opponent's questionnaire, I became concerned because many of his comments were simply untrue. I felt it was important for the residents in District 5 to know the facts surrounding my time in office.
To begin, I do want to address my opponent’s beliefs that I have been anything less than professional while serving on this board. I take strong issue with this comment. I have always believed that healthy debate over issues is a good thing but unfortunately, that has not been the case lately. I have stated publicly that this behavior is not acceptable at any level. I have tried several times now to meet with the other trustees to have a refresher course on the proper way to conduct a meeting – specially, following the Robert’s Rules of Order. I am still waiting for a response to my request.
QC
5:04 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
• By Lorraine Swanson
• Email the author
• February 24, 2011
Trustee Carol Quinlan apologizes to residents for village board's behavior at last meeting.
An Apology
Trustee Carol Quinlan (5th District) apologized for village board members’ behavior at the Feb. 8 meeting and proposed a refresher course for fellow board members in Roberts Rules of Order.
“I personally want to apologize to the residents of Oak Lawn for the behavior of this board at our last meeting,” Quinlan said. “I’ll speak for myself: I was very embarrassed by it.”
Quinlan asked the village board to set aside time for a special meeting to review Roberts Rules of Order and to work out its differences not in front of residents.
“I don’t think anybody cares to hear this board debate and argue how we did two weeks ago,” Quinlan said.
http://oaklawn.patch.com/articles/the-rundown-oak-lawn-village-board-green-lights-medical-building-public-works-projects-issues-apology
Hexagon
6:41 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
The Mayor is ridiculous. This is just a tactic to avoid direct discussion about how his friends bilked the village coffers for millions of dollars. There wouldn't be as much fighting if the Mayor stepped up and showed some real leadership.
District 666 Resident
9:25 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
If the village coffers were bilked for "millions of dollars", why did the village board unanimously settle its claim for the cost of its investigation?
Sandra Bury
11:41 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
666 Resident: We'll find out when the report is released. It's in the hands of the Board since Friday. I hope they do the right thing and vote to release it to the public who paid for it all and that the taxpayers don't have to bring more lawyers into the mix and fight for its release. The buzz is that it was unanimous so that the Village would get back $500,000.00 and at least get some pittance of satisfaction for the taxpayers.
Joe Wilson
3:23 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Hexagon - Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth. Read your statement.
The Mayor is ridiculous. Then you say that there wouldn't be as much fighting if the Mayor stepped up and showed some real leadership. Isn't that what he seems to be trying to do? Face it you are just a hater.
ME
9:27 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Everyone needs to get along. If it's all about "he says, she says," then conduct all your meetings in front of a camera, or use e-mail or voice mail so you have a back up. That's all there is to it! This arguing has got to stop. Everyone will have different views, has things going on in their personal lives, and have different levels of stress. All Board members need to understand this and stick to the facts at hand. You can't change what happened in the past. If it needs fixing, then fix it, and move on. Be civil and act like adults and do the right thing. Think of your friends, family, and the citizens of Oak Lawn. Think with the brain God gave you and use it wisely!!! C'mon!
Hexagon
10:08 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
What's interesting is that this is probably 1% of what happens at board meetings. The Patch perpetuates this and thrives off this.99% of the time the board functions normally. I've been to enough meetings to know that its hyped.
OakLawnGuy
10:38 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
The fighting comes and goes, but when it's there, it takes up a third of a meeting. Even if 4 out of 5 meetings are civil, it needs to be curtailed. E mails from residents directly to the inboxes of those involved haven't curbed it at all. To say that Patch exacerbates the drama is to say you're not watching the meetings.
Average Joe
11:05 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
I agree. While I enjoy reading most patch articles, almost everything Loraine Swanson writes seems to be nothing more than a gossip column designed to inflame tempers in the comments section and spread rumors. Some seem like a flat out personal attack. God forbid you or a family member makes a mistake and end up in the news or police blotter- Ms. Swanson can't wait to type up an article and air your dirty laundry for the whole town to read. When I read about Ms. Swanson herself in the police blotter, she was afforded the opportunity to write and publish an article explaining the situation and clearing the name. Would be nice to see the average Oak Lawn resident given that same option (even if they have no clout or connections)
QC
9:18 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
QC
10:03 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Joe public
As I've stated time and time again...You and your Thugs deflect and ATTACK residents without ANY FACTS Whatsoever janie, even distant relatives are targets when you're behind your computer. Keep dishing out all of your rotten garbge and be sure to make it to Mass on time. YOU & TOMMY that is! Upstanding citizens that you are.
Garbage
10:39 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
So, in other words Heilmann wants everybody to raise their hands and ask his eminence to be allowed to speak. This is just another way of keeping his “opponents” quiet. He has already hidden some legal findings by the nondisclosure documents that might be embarrassing to him. This now will allow his 3 puppets to speak when he wishes and keep the other trustees from bringing up things that he doesn’t want public. Probably at the next meeting he will have a crown and scepter instead of a gavel.
anthony
12:45 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Sure seems that way..There has been very few arguements that did not include the mayor or his dealings
QC
8:07 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Average Joe
Don't read the Patch. The end.
QC
8:20 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Garbage
SOMEONE has to stop all of this nonsense. If these Thugs acted as elected officials should, there would be no reason to change Anything! Think about it, Tom. You are sooo sleazy.
QC
2:16 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
garbage
Here we go again! What did the mayor Supposedly "hide"? Show us proof. You must be...Ahem, one trustee who is not getting HIS WAY at the moment. BTW you have 3 puppets yourself, one just sleeps a lot and the other is out gossiping, check their Bar Stools
vote
11:01 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
QC, what is it with all these past posts and past stories?? What is your point man?? The obsession with Phelan and Quinlan is disturbing. Did they do something to you?? You rants are the craziest on here, and that's saying a lot. I am really ashamed to share the same name as you.
Hexagon
10:50 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Suddenly when people are questioning his lawyer buddy fees he wants to control the meeting. He didn't care when people were attacking Trustee Jerry Hurckes who ran against him for Mayor. He's very selective about when he wants decorum and why.
Joe Wilson
3:26 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Are you on a break Phelan/Hexagon???
QC
8:25 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Hexatom
As I recall you were one of the Most Vicious attackers of Jerry Hurkes.LOL
fred wiese
11:20 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
There is a lot of hate on both sides. I'm done
andy skoundrianos
11:45 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Do as I say not as I do. Typical Dave response. These rules are already on the books. The problem is Dave has never followed them!!! You can't be selective depending on who is with you on the board table. This is a slippery slope we are going down. I was there in the old coalition days when all public comments were not allowed. Residents were threatened and my best friend was arrested. Trustees fought a lot back in those days and nothing was done probably because the meetings were not on cable. This is all about image. No chairman of any political body can make impartial decisions without politics being involved...
Sandra Bury
12:18 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Sadly, the last meeting isn't on cable for me either. Strangely, and for the first time, Uverse has no signal from Oak Lawn in District 2. Also, the minutes of the last meeting aren't online either. The more things change, the more they stay the same?
OakLawnGuy
1:00 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
This doesn't have to be a slippery slope. Meetings are televised (they're monthly in the summer), so if the public watches the proceedings and THEN finds that Mr Heilmann is closing off communications, then everyone can complain. We'll see how the entire board handles it all. What I'm hoping is that the speaking out of turn, diatribes that border on personal (well, sometimes cross that line) and whining on the part of many of the members ceases. Andy, the history of boards past is only partially relevant, because it was a different atmosphere with far less coverage. I doubt any member can politically afford to threaten people or arrest any of your best friends today. And if you're going to cite "typical Dave responses" and other sarcasms, be fair and hold ALL other trustees and the Mgr to the fire. Mr Heilmann is not the whiniest or most petulant participant in this production, by a long shot.
fred wiese
2:25 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
ATT Uverse Ch 99 meeting
Sandra Bury
2:45 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Thanks Fred. I get a "no signal" message there. I do get other communities videos on channel 99. This is an Oak Lawn feed issue seemingly.
Dave W.
5:25 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why the meeting videos aren't archived into the same site that has like, EVERY issue of the town newsletter?
How hard would that be? Then everybody could at least go there, even if belatedly.
Just a thought.
Joe Wilson
3:28 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
They should have arrested You Andy.
QC
8:12 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
andy
No One gives a rat's butt about you and the Old Coalition days and best friends being arrested and on & on &on...... Those days are Gone! Give it up.
QC
8:37 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Ms. Bury
What now? Just what you are intimating? The Mayor climbed your utility pole and disconnected all of your cable access? "Harrumph!!.... They're out to get me taxpayers!"
Farrell
12:01 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
"You don’t see this kind of fighting in most municipal boards.”
Oh, you don't, eh? What do you call those useless "why-are-they-in-office" Chicago Aldermen, who have been known to pull guns in meetings, squawk about not getting free, preferred seating at Petrillo Band-shell, regardless of whether she actually likes the performer, refusing to pay their own gas bills, thinking they don't have to - yada yada yada - just one reason I'm glad I live in Oak Lawn. I didn't know these things were open to the public - think I might just drop in on this - I'm curious. I remember being at a mass traffic court hearing, and some of that was sort of fun, actually.
OakLawnGuy
3:46 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
I had a picture of Dick Mell dancing on a desk in a supposedly closed room, celebrating the naming of "his" candidate Gene Sawyer as mayor, when I read this.
andy skoundrianos
11:18 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
The reason you got elected QC was residents exposing the coaltion party for what they were tyrants. Of course you never had the guts to run against Kolb because you would have been crushed. If you forget the past you are doomed to repeat it again QC but we are seeing the silence tactics again now aren't we??
Hexagon
12:23 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
District 666 Resident i'm sure they settled to avoid paying more lawyer fees in case they'd lose their case. You sound District 666 Resident like you might be da Mayer himself
QC
2:33 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
li'l andy
If OR When I would ever run for office You will be the First person notified! With a Restraining Oder and Gag Order. As you well know I am NOT DAVE HEILMANN, a fireman, Meg G, Lynn C., or her husband, Dawn S and the list goes on. Don't use me to attack others, because they remain silent li'l big man.
BTW since you've been involved in OL politics for 20 yrs why is it that YOU never ran against Kolb??
QC
2:39 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Hexatom
The only sensible thing these trustees did was finally settle, because they would've lost their case for sure and their dirty dealings would've come to light
andy skoundrianos
4:07 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
QC I don't have $50,000 dollars like you and I don't steal money from my former party mates to run for Mayor. I never have accused you of being anyone but Dave and you know it. You seem to think I am everyone else on these blogs. I'm not afraid to say anything under my name unlike 98% of the other bloggers on here.
andy skoundrianos
11:42 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Lil davey or QC Your hypocrisy never ends. Your Lawyer who represented you in the unity party money case also handled the sodaro case. You paid a $1,000 to his campaign and wrote a letter for him in the trustee race in 2011. Yet you said at the time you didn't even know him!!! Unbelieveable. Why do you hate Jane so much QC?? You are the only one on these blogs to do this. Has she ever done anything personally to you?? Oh yeah she " betrayed you " when she left the unity party. You have never forgiven her or phelan for that matter, isn't that right?? Maybe you dislike her because she received more votes than you did in the last election. Maybe it's because she is more loved and respected in the community than you will ever be? I love when you make fun of me , cause it means i must be doing something right.
andy skoundrianos
2:58 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Sorry OLG I call it as i see it The Manager nor the trustees run the meeting the Mayor does. These amendments are under HIS village presidents report. The old Village manager was the one who signed the arrest report!!! It is relevant in the sense that the the old village board meetings were a lot more caustic and argumentative. Not every meeting is a shout fest. Always remember,it takes two people to have an argument. Every is guilty on that point.
OakLawnGuy
3:44 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Well you seem to fire off on the Mayor exclusively, when there's plenty of "calling it" to go around. That's my point. Still don't agree that your history with extinct Boards has much to do with this, but we'll just go from there.
QC
9:42 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
QC
8:17 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Sorry li'l andy
Just like you say "I call it as I see it". Why did the trustees from districts 2, 3, 4, and 6
have a secret meeting at Stoney Creek and not let the others know about it?
Why did Spike Badigan, after a trip to Sprinfield by Phelan, Streit and Uncle Larry, support a fundraiser for Streit, immediately AFTER the trustees from 2,3,4,6 HIRED the Attorneys that HE suggested to them? You know the Attorneys that the Fed subpeona came in on? Hows that going?
Jane...what can I say? She committed fraud and perjured herself in the last election, but you just want to sweep that under the rug li'l andy. Shes been sleeping with the Dogs too long, you know, fleas... and she's way too close to the trustee in 6 and what does that tell you???
But as some one once said "Remeber, mind over matter. I don't mind and You don't matter." But thanx for entertaing me!!!!!
Alex for mayor
5:06 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Andy and Doc Bury only criticize Dave. Andy has NOTHING to say about Bob's recent actions. Yet Andy keeps harping about 20 years ago and attacks the mayor. Doc is even sadder by using a national tragedy as a launching pad for entering political foray. She is disingenuous at best. Tom, Tom, and Alex will be in dogfights to stay in office. I will vote for Dave. I will also vote for Jane even though she'll be Doc's running mate. Here's the real curve ball...Alex for mayor, Doc for district 2. Watch.
District 666 Resident
10:53 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Now that may be a good idea. Alex is the best of the bunch of the anti mayor crowd. He has a good head on his shoulders and cares about the whole village. I don't know if he has the guts to get out there but I would give hime a serious look. Phean = no. Doc has no credentials. Duhig sleeps through it all. Alex gives that group a shot
vote
11:55 am on Friday, July 13, 2012
QC you need some meds Maybe you didn't get enough love as a child. I don't know you must be the only person here that knows everything about everyone right?? I will answer some of the questions. 1. Case was thrown out for the illegal meetings claim which by the way the mayor filed!! 2.Where were the charges against the clerk?? Oh yeah made up in your mind again!! 3. The mayor picked these supposed dogs,phonies, and liars and ran with them twice!!! What does that say about him?? By the way I wouldn't make Mike mad QC, He may send out his army to make sure your Mayor doesn't win in April!!
QC
7:24 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
Greve said it is still the village clerk's responsibility to tell the county the boundaries of the political ward or district.
“That is their responsibility,” Greve said. “We need the local clerks to inform us of where their local boundaries lie. By signing off on the street file, that is what she did.” http://oaklawn.patch.com/articles/what-happened-at-sward-school
#3.It tells me that He Thought that they were a Trustworthy Team looking out for the residents of Oak Lawn, Hence “The Unity Party”! Not Like the Despicable Thugs that they’ve become. Stabbing people, including Residents, in the back and dragging them through every kind of Slop that they can think of. These people Intimidate and Humiliate whoever just for sport. Their only thoughts are Gimmee!! Where’s mine? and the heck with everyone else!!!
They need to be gone li’l andy, I mean QC??. BTW Pat Fitz said Hi! his replacement is in on the Job!
QC
7:29 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
QC??/andy
Are You answering as andy OR QC?? this time?
#1. Illegal meeting claim that was” thrown out” by who? A ruling by Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan’s office has determined that a majority of Oak Lawn trustees along with the village clerk did not violate the Open Meetings Act when they held two informational meetings for residents last January. Stunner huh? Anybody surprised about Madigan’s Ruling…Raise Your Hand.
vote
9:54 pm on Sunday, July 15, 2012
You didn't answer the question QC If it was illegal why were charges not brought up??? Because no crime was committed!! You forgot to say why those individuals were meeting anyways. To find out how many fake petition signatures there were that Myrna tried to sneak through to change the village manager format, which Dave supported a 1000% and his cronies were the circulators. You know that because you were one of them. Nice job throwing Myrna under the bus when the heat came on you guys. Typical mayor he is with you win or tie!! I'm actually one of the costume designers for the community plays by the way.
Sandra Bury
4:42 am on Monday, July 16, 2012
QC: You said,"It tells me that He Thought that they were a Trustworthy Team looking out for the residents of Oak Lawn" - Was that some type of typo that you are capitalizing the "he" like Mayor Heilmann is some type of diety? When I think of who is being trustworthy, it's not someone who appears to allegedly divert millions of dollars inappropriately to friends. It's not someone who allegedly raids one's team's coffers either. It's probably not someone who thinks of themselves at a diety either, or one who seeks absolute control over the democratic process of debate.
Dave W.
5:22 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
As ME says, "Everyone needs to get along." Why is that so hard? These aren't people forced to live together in a fallout shelter for months on end or a submarine...what is the difference of HOW often it happens? AT ALL is TOO OFTEN. I understand that there is concern for the mayor overstepping his boundary, so to speak, but that is sort of the way things go in governments, or even in private companies. SOMEBODY has to have some sort of control of the meeting, the process. Might there be political consideration taken? How can anybody say no? However, to just start off from that standpoint...the thing it, even if true, that will only be true until he is voted out, right? So if the NEXT mayor is a different person, and THAT person agrees with the current minority (provided they all make it back), will it be okay THEN with the people that support THAT mayor? For that matter, will the people who support the mayor now be all for the same process if they find themsleves in the minority next time? Fair is fair is fair. There needs to be more of what is right for the whole town and less of what is what select people or constituencies favor. Even on these boards, so many people bash one side, RIGHT AFTER saying they want what is best for the town. As OLG says, "...if you're going to cite "typical Dave responses" and other sarcasms, be fair and hold ALL other trustees and the Mgr to the fire." They ALL work for ALL of US. Nobody voted for them to bicker. Time they remembered that.
Marvin Nash
9:05 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Am I wrong or wasn't That Trustee Streit going nose to nose with the Mayor in the video? What changed? Maybe Trustee Streit needed to manuever his position to make his vote the the tipping point.....AGAIN! Things that make you go hmmmmm.
Oh Great one!
1:17 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Maybe the board should dress up in the costumes from King Dave's last 'stage performance' and he will feel more comfy?
Joe Wilson
3:34 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
OGo - Are you immature idiots so jealous of Heilmann, because in his spare time he's NOT starting or getting into altercations in bars, like the rest of you? Is mentoring kids and teenagers to keep them off the streets such a Bad thing in your closed Little Minds?
Grow up!
QC
3:19 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
BTW I did not pass out any petitions or have anything to do with it...But if it comes around again I'll be 1st in line to sign it as will all of my family, which is HUGE, and all of my neighbors!! Since you're supposedly a designer how about designing straitjackets for yourself and your handlers!!
@andy's sandy candy
" "The mayor picked these supposed dogs,phonies, and liars and ran with them twice!!! What does that say about him?? " "
The 'He Thought" and other capitalization's were for EMPHASIS only. Get a grip on yourself. YOU are associating with a Group that is so obviously UNtrustworthy, with their Backroom deals and No Bid Contracts with friends and relatives and Other Politicians for their OWN Gain, void of any Integrity or Truthfulness and as Greedy as they come. As for Your Charges that the mayor "allegedly divert millions of dollars inappropriately to friends. It's not someone who allegedly raids one's team's coffers either" Where are the Charges that the thugs and thugette would've gone after if the accusations were true???? Take your head out of the Sand. The Cool Guys are just using You. Watch how fast they drop you. Mark my words! Have a nice day.
QC
3:20 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
Qcandy,
Oh, but I did answer your question QCandy--- Stunner huh? Anybody surprised about Madigan’s Ruling…Raise Your Hand. There it is. Read the post again slowly don't be so quick to attack all the time.
Throw Myrna under the bus??? LOL!!! You and your Thugs and Thugette drove that Bus 100 mph over her and the CITIZENS OF OAK LAWN THAT TRULY DID WANT a CHANGE in the way this town is run. Why was she refused entrance into the Secret Meeting, since she was the one being discussed? Her rights were violated as well as the Mayors and the other Trustees. Oh, I get it.That's OK because janie and her minions deemed it that way. Hypocrites all.
Available Auditor
8:56 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
QC,
We can't simply say everything is fixed when it doesn't go our way! The petition drive was a fiasco and those that fought it did so legally and successfully. The facts are the facts so let's not lower yourself into a position where you smear Lisa Madigan. If Myrna or Dave wanted to fight the AG's ruling, they could have done so but they didn't do so. Elected officials can get together for political reasons. Haven't you ever been to a fundraiser?
tmarc75
2:04 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
How will the board bicker like school children if rules are introduced to prevent them from that? There will be nothing to write about then.
vote
10:30 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
JoinPAtch???
2:19 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Average Joe: YOU GOT THAT RIGHT. But Loraine did a smear piece on a trustee's son a few years ago. It was really dirty and senseless and sensational.
Joe Wilson
3:01 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Are you referring to Tom Duhig's son Beating his 17 yr.old Daughter, smashing a car window, and taking her phone away as she tried to call for help, A. Hola?
http://oaklawn.patch.com/articles/village-trustees-son-charged-in-domestic-battery
andy skoundrianos
11:14 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Hey Joe got any Bail money for me?? Just askin
anthony
1:16 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Being a year late I know Tom Duhig I know him to be a right honorable gentleman who has deep roots in the community.A very traditional god fearing good citizen.. Guessing he did go beserk. I must insist it was over a fundamental principle issue regarding his daughter's future The article was not a cheap shot. The re hashing a year later is..
#1 Disgusted Resident
7:23 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
joinPAtch that smear on Lorraine seemed to backfire on you!
lou
7:23 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
i dont like the fact that our elected officials cant get along any more , but i like to see their reactions on tv so i could get a better read on who is being honest .
amount12
11:54 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
Did Tom Phelan appoint the Village tresurer Jim McGovern. Why would this guy send e-mails to the board offering to audit the Fall on the Green. Did you know that he accepts pay for being in the band that plays at the Fall on the Green? Want more?
Sandra Bury
4:15 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
I think you're a little unclear on your facts, amount12. Trustee Streit made false accusations about this man in a public forum for little purpose other than to defame the character of a good man. Now that he has been reminded of the facts, the right thing for Trustee Streit to do is to publicly apologize. Let's see if he has the character to take the high road on this one and do what's right.
Available Auditor
8:53 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
McGovern and Phelan are longtime friends; McGovern was appointed as Treasurer on Phelan's recommendation; McGovern is in a band that gets paid at the fest; McGovern was knew that the audit was supposed to be independent; McGovern sent a last minute missle to the board trying to whitewash the fest activities to kill the audit;
These activities are horrific for any professional to undertake. What were the false statements Streit made? Will Sandra Bury apologize when the audit shows that McGovern is wrong?
Sandra Bury
10:15 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Trustee Streit’s accusation that Treasurer McGovern’s review was unauthorized is false. Village Manager Deetjen was aware of it, authorized it and encouraged it. Ironically the unauthorized review is being conducted by Trustee Streit’s friend, Joe Murray.
In the past few months I have seen Trustee Streit spread lies about several people, myself included. When irrefutable facts proving him wrong are presented, no apologies or show of any remorse is offered. He simply moves on to the next innocent target. I imagine a day may come when he makes an accusation against someone that is true. By that time, who will believe him?
Character assassination of good and dedicated people for the purpose of distraction and diversion from other issues is petty thuggery. People see it for what it is. It’s sad and embarrassing for Trustee Streit and Oak Lawn.
QC
12:26 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
SB
ARE YOU FOR REAL?? Clean off your spaceship windsheild and look who You SURROUNDED yourself with! Did you pay Any attention to the last election?
The LIES and filth that spewed from these supposed trustees aimed at residents was UNBELIEVABLE, ESPECIALLY AT ANY female.
Do yourself a favor and research the Sodaro vs Streit, and Quinlan vs Quattrochi campaigns. Now THAT is "Character assassination of good and dedicated people for the purpose of distraction and diversion from other issues is petty thuggery. People see it for what it is. It’s sad and embarrassing for Trustee Streit and Oak Lawn." Insert your name instead of Streit.
Sandra Bury
12:41 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Hi QC: I'd love to see any of the materials you feel are sexist. Also, I'm not sure if you're condoning this type of character smear in this case? Will you go on record as saying this type if behavior is wrong? Is it time to stop it, or do you feel continuing it as "business as usual" is ok? Don't you feel educated and concerned people can discuss issues based on facts?
vote
2:56 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
QC you have lambasted Streit for years on this blog, now he is all right because he is working with the Mayor?? Go to the dictionary and look up Hypocrite, your name will be in the description. You need some lithium or at least history lessons
QC
7:33 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
QC??
Show me where I stated that Streit " he is all right because he is working with the Mayor??" Don't put your words in my mouth. Streit will never change-just like you and li'l andy, A.hola . Can you say psychitzophrenic? Are you a brain surgeon in your spare time?? (hmmm I read that phrase somewhere.)
Sounds to me like You could use a lot of meds and Professional help since you seem to believe that's the cure all to end all!
Ms. Bury.
Do you consider yourself educated on these Thugs? It sure doesn't seem possible considering Your Attacks on others on this Blog. You're following in Phelan's footsteps, NOT a good thing at all. Do you feel that it's all right to lambast the Mayor or anyone else that stands in Your way? "Will you go on record as saying this type if behavior is wrong?" and "are You condoning this type of character smear in this case? "
Sandra Bury
11:32 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Hi QC! If my comments about Mayor Heilmann were incorrect I would be the first to apologize. Lies are wrong. My comments are based on facts. Because no one can argue with these facts, the only response back I get are insults, slurs and threats. This doesn’t weaken my position and certainly doesn’t strengthen Mayor Heilmann’s.
I have a very strong resolve for the people of Oak Lawn to see clearly what our elected officials have worked so hard to keep hidden. The people will prevail and the truth will be known.
QC
9:16 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
robzombie…6:49am on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 ……Looks like myrnas lawyer gave her bad legal advice and blew the case. Or maybe the female judge didn’t buy into her whorish wardrobe………
ol1…11:44am on Friday, January 14, 2011…shame on keri lynn krehafter for representing the group of who forged almost 2000 false names on behalf of myrna and the tax watch who had dead people sign. Krehafter is just a puppet for dave heilmann who wants to change the governement so HE has more powers and wants Sodaro to win.
David Z…12:10pm on Sunday, January 23, 2011…..QC, My guess is that you dropped out of high school after having your first child. I also would guess that you think college is a brick building where there are books and they won't let you inside. I'm told that you would probably want to lift your shirt at all the meetings..
..orange jump suit 4:28pm on Friday, January 28, 2011….Myrna you have to come back to get fitted for the orange jumpsuit,when you go to jail for PERJURY and FORGERY!!!! Carol and Joe quinlan will be waiting for ya!!
There is limited space, but I wanted to at least re-fresh your memory.
QC
9:20 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
10:22 am on Sunday, March 6, 2011
cont'd.....columbusmanormom…12:53pm on Monday, January 3, 2011…Jeez, Mary Kay you should know ALL ABOUT patronage and political jobs being that you are a Lipinski HACK. No wonder you are questioning the objector...you are a Hurckes loyalist hack. No wonder you are suspicious and have NO REGARD for the law. You probably helped register dead voters at Bohicas!!!!!!!......................................... columbusmanormom…10:15am on Monday, January 3, 2011…Dan won’t need a lawyer, he has his buddy the Mayor Dave Heilmann who put him up in the first place! I think what’s more important is that Dan is too STUPID to do his petitions right how can he be a trustee????
columbusmanormom..7:16am on Monday, January 3, 2011 .. If this goof cannot ethically get 3required signatures he should be knocked the hell off. Using.Lynn Craig who is a mentally unstable liar who gets in fights with other Mothers on school proprty is a mistake. Police were called to her several times for fighting with Moms at Columbus Manor
10:32 am on Sunday, March 6, 2011 cont'd,
johnny pag…10:58am on Monday, January 17,2011……….Such attacks are just a symptom of a larger mental problem that some of these folks suffer from on a daily basis.
evidence will determine the outcome in both the referendum case and the Sodaro case. After all, nobody is calling anyone a whore, althoughheycould
QC
9:24 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
10:17 am on Sunday, March 6, 2011
Good morning sleepy head. Just get back from Mass
***Lorraine Swanson..12:04pm on Thursday, February 17, 2011……….Getsomeethics and all commenters: Please do not post comments about candidates' family members, especially their children.
Dawn Sodaro..12:12pm on Thursday, February 17, 2011..Thank you Lorraine. I did read the comment about my children and I flagged it as inappropriate. Thank you so much your respect of my family and especially my children during this election period.***
trampsinbedwithkadner
6:24pm on Saturday, February 19, 2011
This comment board should be about how Dan Sodaro was knocked off the ballot. The man didn't even have the nuts to show up for the hearing. His atty ripped him off. She sucked. That's what I heard at least.
Shameonmayorheilmann…5:29pm on Saturday, February 19, 2011..Brennan gets paid for humiliating the Mayor and beating the snot out of him
orangejumpers…5:59pm on Monday, February 14, 2011 ....I hope they lose their jobs and livelihoods. Oh wait lynn doesn’t have a job other than pretending to circulate petitions while her husband joel collects a huge paycheck compliments of village of ol taxpayers......
blindeye…9:59am on Monday, February 14, 2011…Lynn has been working actively for years in trustee races in the 3rd district. a Hurckes has been to Lynn’s house many time. And she got involved in controversial school board issues causing lots of trouble at Columbus Manor……..
QC
9:35 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
10:32 am on Sunday, March 6, 2011 cont'd,
johnny pag…10:58am on Monday, January 17,2011……….Such attacks are just a symptom of a larger mental problem that some of these folks suffer from on a daily basis.
evidence will determine the outcome in both the referendum case and the Sodaro case. After all, nobody is calling anyone a whore, althoughheycould
robzombie…6:49am on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 ……Looks like myrnas lawyer gave her bad legal advice and blew the case. Or maybe the female judge didn’t buy into her whorish wardrobe………
ol1…11:44am on Friday, January 14, 2011…shame on keri lynn krehafter for representing the group of who forged almost 2000 false names on behalf of myrna and the tax watch who had dead people sign. Krehafter is just a puppet for dave heilmann who wants to change the governement so HE has more powers and wants Sodaro to win.
David Z…12:10pm on Sunday, January 23, 2011…..QC, My guess is that you dropped out of high school after having your first child. I also would guess that you think college is a brick building where there are books and they won't let you inside. I'm told that you would probably want to lift your shirt at all the meetings..
..orange jump suit 4:28pm on Friday, January 28, 2011….Myrna you have to come back to get fitted for the orange jumpsuit,when you go to jail for PERJURY and FORGERY!!!! Carol and Joe quinlan will be waiting for ya!!
QC
9:36 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
10:22 am on Sunday, March 6, 2011
cont'd.....columbusmanormom…12:53pm on Monday, January 3, 2011…Jeez, Mary Kay you should know ALL ABOUT patronage and political jobs being that you are a Lipinski HACK. No wonder you are questioning the objector...you are a Hurckes loyalist hack. No wonder you are suspicious and have NO REGARD for the law. You probably helped register dead voters at Bohicas!!!!!!!....................................................................................................................... columbusmanormom…10:15am on Monday, January 3, 2011…Dan won’t need a lawyer, he has his buddy the Mayor Dave Heilmann who put him up in the first place! I think what’s more important is that Dan is too STUPID to do his petitions right how can he be a trustee????
columbusmanormom..7:16am on Monday, January 3, 2011 .. If this goof cannot ethically get 3required signatures he should be knocked the hell off. Using.Lynn Craig who is a mentally unstable liar who gets in fights with other Mothers on school proprty is a mistake. Police were called to her several times for fighting with Moms at Columbus Manor
QC
9:38 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
trampsinbedwithkadner…6:28pm on Saturday, February 19, 2011.. Lynn craig has kadner and hurckes on her speeddial. Lots of time on her hands while the ol parks supt cleans the ballfields & we pay his salary. Dirty deeds done dirt cheap
trampsinbedwithkadner...6:35pm on Saturday,February19,2011... Ask yourself if its worth the shame and guilt the morning after just for a night of pleasure in getting your column printed. How humiliating it must be to sell yourself ti get a southtown column. May I ask who took it? Mediawhores"
Oh, and one of my personal favorites:
shameonoltrusteessleepstogetstories
10:57 PM on February 19, 2011
To shameonoltrustees,
Telling Phil he rocks is so you. You admire Phil so much that you were in bed with him. I bet he did rock
You are insane. You still haven't pointed to one time where anyone attacked SODARO and FAmily. The quotes you cite don't say anything about sodaro or are you coming clean with the real identities of people.
You obviously wrote during happy hour and before you could eat. By now you are probably sleeping it off. Hopefully, they strapped you into the bed.
Good night.
richardthelion
4:46 pm on Sunday, March 6, 2011Half of the items quoted above aren't even attacks and I don't see any against Sodaro or his family. So quit your blubbering girls
QC
9:40 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Ms bury
Here are your "helpers:
This is Just a Sampling of the Viciousness and Cruelty by the Phelan/Streit /Oly/Duhig/J.Quinlan & LD Group in the Last Election.
5:36 pm on Saturday, March 5, 2011
#2)“As far as the "viciousness" against Sodaro and his supporters and the referendum people, what the heck are you talking about.” “Otherwise, point to anything in writing in any place where there is any viciousness toward Sodaro and the Referendum group.” “Objections to petitions to prevent election fraud and the perpetration of fraud on the people does not count as "viciousness". ...
You don't have a leg to stand on! LMAO
Really, read ‘em and weep loser.
trampsinbedwithkadner..5:52pm on Saturday, February 19, 2011.. Looks like the Village tramps are back at it again sleeping with kadner. He likes to be in bed with unstable exschool leaders. Tramps.......
trampsinbedwithkadner….5:58pm on Saturday, February 19, 2011.. Real family people sleeping with kadner. Great moms. MediaWhores with kadner on their speeddials.
trampsinbedwithkadner…6:24pm on Saturday, February 19, 2011… This comment board should be about how Dan Sodaro was knocked off the ballot. The man didn’t even have the nuts to show up for the hearing. His atty ripped him off. She sucked. That’s what I heard
THUGMAN
11:10 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Well I don't see you telling your buddy the Mayor to watch out for Streit and his lack of loyalty, but then again the mayor has no loyalty either. These two snakes deserve each other. They may end up biting each other and getting rid of both of them.Question why are people that go against your guy thugs??They have a right to disagree with the King Dave if they want. Who are you to tell them what to do?? The Mayor sends his supporters on these blogs to tear down anyone who says a bad word against the King.He then sits back and says I never said a word. The king is a master manipulator who has others do his dirty work. The truth about this fake will come out eventually to the voters and residents of Oak Lawn. Hey trustee Streit, watch out for the king after he doesn't need ya anymore, he will throw you to the curb like the rest of his former allies.
QCSCARED
10:02 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Thanks for the history lesson Dave,Man you sure like typing a lot. Funny your never repeat the quotes that you make,which have to be removed all the time because you are crazy!!! Your rants do nothing psycho man
QC
10:16 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Tom Fakelan aka QCSCARED
Ooops I hit a nerve! He's Ranting again. OK.
Those aren't MY rants Tommy Boy. Look again.. aren't you proud of your handiwork?
Go ahead and repeat my quotes. I don't REMOVE them, after they're posted for a few days, like you Cowards do. LMAO