State House and Senate Candidates Talk Gay Marriage
Candidates for the 18th District of the Illinois State Senate and 35th District of the State House appeared at a wide ranging forum. Here are their answers on the gay marriage question.
With an increasing number of states passing gay marriage laws and Illinois' recent civil unions law, the topic of gay marriage is a much talked about one in state legislatures across the country.
In a candidate forum sponsored by the Palos-Orland League of Women Voters on Monday, candidates shared their views on the issue.
35th House District
Fran Hurley (D-Chicago): Says the issue is not her focus, but she does have a gay relative and, "would hate to deny her the right to marry."
Anthony Martin (D-Chicago): "Due to his faith," he does not support same-sex marriage.
Andrew Byrne Hodorowicz (D-Palos Heights): He is focused on the state's finances and would not support anything that adds costs for the state.
Steve Williams (R-Orland Park): "No. I do not support it."
18th Senate District
Ricardo Fernandez (R-Orland Park): "I do not support gay marriage." Fernandez added that civil unions make sense, especially when medical and visitation issues are at stake.
Barbara Bellar (R-Burr Ridge): Did not attend
Bill Cunningham (D-Chicago): Did not attend
Click on the candidates' names for their answers to the full Patch Election Questionnaire and more information about their background.
Do you believe Illinois should recognize same-sex marriages?
RobertS
8:06 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Folks like it or not, the time for equality for all is here and we must extend benefits and rights to all—not just the majority. This is not an issue of homosexual or heterosexual rights—its an issue of human rights and the belief that we are all equal. We must remember, women, people of color, various faiths and nationalities, etc., have been persecuted through time and we have cleared those obstacles, now we must clear one more.
As a gay man growing up in the south suburbs I saw the challenges and I see a brighter day ahead, please don't deny your fellow persons that right based upon bigotry, misunderstanding, or whatever other shield you want to hide behind. As a gay man, I laugh when I hear the terms "alternative lifestyle" "lifestyle of choice" or "they chose that life", no, your priest chose an alternative lifestyle—a lifestyle that is not normal by denying his sexual urges; your child chose an alternative lifestyle when they decided to listen to a particular type of music, dye their hair and hang out with a group of others that are not the majority—human sexuality is not a choice, it is a right of expression, love, and procreation given to us by God, Allah, or whoever/whatever put us on this big rock that is floating in space.
Think about your child, think about your neighbor, think about yourself; would you want to be denied rights on something you cannot change? Urge this to pass in the name of love and decency.
Stel
2:39 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
You hit on so many points in so little space with your comments...I could not have said it better. I'm a straight ally and I would like to see the day when same-sex marriage is recognized not only in our state but throughout the country.
Richard
5:09 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Very, very well put. Thank you.
Dave W.
2:20 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
As a non-gay man growing up, I didn't even know gay people couldn't marry...now I just don't understand why they "can't". Where does anything anywhere in our Constitution say there is a legal definition one way or another? Drawing a line between civil union and marriage is just stupid...so what, overly religious people can force THEIR religious beliefs on others? Great, awesome...funny how some people will rail on about the government taking away liberties...until it is a liberty THEY disagree with somebody ELSE having that they don't like.
mom
8:51 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
The Bible is my constitution. And I am against gay marriage. Im so sick of the left shoving their views and their demands down my conservative throat I do not care if your gay but stay in the closet. it is just not natural or normal. If my daughter was gay I would love her but I would not have to accept her lifestyle. What is happening to our Nation? I believe Homosexuality is a an addiction just like other addictions that plague peolple. Alcoholics and addicts are not screaming for extras and special rights., What if gays just started getting married like crazy? What would happen to our population? There will not be as many children born." Invetro" sure but come on that just shows it is not natural for gays to be married or having children . Sin is sin and I am a sinner but I just think it very inapropriate to leagalize same sex marriage. It's just not healthy for out society!! Any Clergy that marries these folks ought to be fired and if I was a justice of the peace I would not be able to prefrom the cerimonies due to my faith.. I guess I would be fired. This issue just opens the doors for lots of future troubles. And this Nation will have to answer for these issues. Mom
Terri
10:48 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
I don't think we have to worry about underpopulation. Gays aren't going to have children whether they marry or not. Just because heterosexual couples can't or don't desire children, I wouldn't deny them the right to be married.
oaklawnperson
1:50 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
It's worse than you think -- there's one church in Oak Lawn that says it's ready and willing to do civil unions, as close as we have to gay marriage in Illinois right now.
http://pilgrimfaith.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=195&Itemid=111
Richard
4:57 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Your concern about an insufficient birth rate is silly and you probably know it. It's of the same order of logic as saying "If pigs could fly. . ." There are plenty of heteros only too happy to have childrenm and we have--in case you haven't heard--an OVERpopulated world.
And Jesus never said a word about gay marriage nor about homosexuality. You're just looking for justifications for your prejudices and you're not even doing a very good job.
Dave W.
7:03 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012
No, 'mom', the CONSTITUTION is your constitution, as long as you live here. The Founding Fathers were VASTLY secular, as any research would reveal. This goes against what most conservatives try to espouse, but it doesn't make it not a fact. Perhaps you would feel more at home in a country that DOES inflict it's religious beliefs on it's citizens, such as Iran, or Saudi Arabia, for instance. Remember, our country was founded by the decendants of people that LEFT a coutnry that DID tell them what to believe. Nowhere in the Constitution does it define marriage as only between a man and woman, nor does it say in the Bible that YOU were left in charge of what is the only interpretation of that tome.
Please, move to a backward state where first cousins still marry, fourteen year olds can get married, but the state is still worried about what people do in their bedroom.
Is the divorce rate amongst straight people good for our society? Alcoholics and addicts aren't the equivalent of being gay, either. Also, drunk drivers can KILL somebody, and only get a hardship license and a fine, while a sober person will get jail time, or more. Addicts with money or fame go to rehab when they should be in jail...So, terrible analogy, based, liked the rest of your comment, on nonsense, fear, and misinformation.
Andrea Williams
8:33 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Short answer to the question: yes. However, of the two hours of dialogue available from the event, how does the question of gay marriage get singled out by the Patch? Are the readers to assume the editors of the Patch feel gay marriage is the most pressing issue facing the residents of the State of Illinois or just the one they want elevated on the agenda? Come on guys, you are above the liberal media ‘agendizing’ of the social issues when the country and the State of Illinois are in such a big financial ditch we (and our children) may never be able to climb out of it.
Ben Feldheim
10:25 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
You make a good point. Illinois residents are likely more concerned with economic and educational issues, and rightfully so given the state of things. It's not an attempt to agendize. We're simply trying a few different formats and topics. But again, you do make a good point and I appreciate it. Dan and I both have more video from the two forums we'll be putting up, and look for more updates on each site's election central page as we get closer to the 20th.
Freddieboy
11:08 am on Thursday, March 8, 2012
The issue is not marriage, it is the redefining marriage to suit a gay agenda. Nobody is prohibiting gays from cohabiting and acting like a married couple. Wills and other contracts do not exclude gays. Marriage between straights is not motivated by a financial benefit of government. The only reason that gays want to marry is to force themselves into the taxpayer's pocket.
Richard
5:02 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
One of the many reasons why gay people want the right to marry is because it has happened hundreds of times that a hospital has refused to allow one half of a gay couple to visit his/her seriously ill partner.
Married couples have, by one estimate, a thousand benefits that gay couples do not have--from filing a joint tax return to spousal benefits--etc., etc.
Bob
12:19 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
This whole issue is about two things; having government forcing acceptance of what some believe is perverse behavior on the public, and making them subsidize the behavior, and giving financial benefit at taxpayer expense to new "entitlement" class.
Since the old "sodomy" rules were ended, any committed human couple over 18 could engage in both a emotional and sexual relationship. Government stopped interfering in such relationships, which as someone who believes individual freedom and liberty I applaud.
The usual "entitlement" mentality is now taking over, as it always does with an intrusive government.
Perhaps the greatest disincentive to unwed parenthood was social stigma. that stigma was removed back in the 1960's and 1970's. Unwed parenthood skyrocketed in that period, and is the primary cause of long term poverty in the US.
Then the government decided to put gasoline on the fire. They started, through the "Great Society" programs, to make unwed motherhood a viable, fully supported lifestyle. Yoou received checks without working, "free" healthcare and a host of other incentives to lead this lifestyle. It became part of a dysfunctional culture that led to drug, crime, and despair.
After that the formation of the nuclear family through legal, committed relationships was attacked. Job benefits were given to "significant others" when a man and a women weren't committed enough to be legally married.
Bob
12:19 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
We're now travelling the same entitlement path with "gay marriage". The stigma has pretty much been removed, and now we're subsidizing the behavior.
Once gay marriage is "legal" the next thing will be promoting it to children in our schools. Once it's a "legitimate and legal" lifestyle, it's safe to say that such indoctrination will be DEMANDED by the gay community. It's their non-biological form population growth. More gays, more political power.
Sorry, but I believe that gays have a right to do what they wish in their own homes. Expect me subsidize and promote it in our schools, however, and I'll fight it to th best of my humble ability!
Richard
5:07 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
I hope your ability is indeed humble.
Maybe you long for the good old days when it was illegal for people of different races to marry one another.
History is not on your side and you may as well get used to it.
I defy anyone to show me any way in which he has been (or will be) impacted if gays are allowed to marry. You can look at the seven states which already permit gay marriage. I have not heard that they have gone to hell yet.
Bob
11:33 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Perhaps not so humble as you would like! I see you take the misleading and dishonest equivalency of racism and subsidizing what many consider sexual perversion. An important question is where do we draw the line for sudsidizing and legitimizing bizarre sexual relationships.
The "Man-Boy Love association" believes that what amounts to sexual child abuse is a "loving relationship" and should be legalized. They use the same arguments as you used for gay acceptance and legal subsidy for that behavior.
There are people who believe that "bestiality" is a "normal and loving relationship". Would you agree? Should we giver survivor and "significant other" benefits to animals if tehy survive their human "lover"?
Society deined a marriage as a union between a man and a woman, and it worked for thousands of years.
If we define a "marriage" to expand to people of the same sex, what moral difference is there between that and a man and a boy? Why not a man(or woman" and an animal, or even an inanimate object?
Even the ancient greeks (who were pretty openly gay, especially in the military) understood not to equate such relationships with the marriage of a man and woman.
Regarding history, the cycle has been to go from postions of great moral fiber to tolerance, then leniency, then subsudiszed support which follows a societal collapse and restorations of moral faith and social stigma to recreate a functioning society.
Bob
11:35 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
It's pretty clear that we're getting close to that "collapse" economically and morally, and there WILL be people who believe in something greater than ourselves that rebuild civilization
Mark Sipes
10:07 am on Friday, March 9, 2012
I don't believe gay marriage is the most pressing issue for most voters at this time.The economy is the number one issue and the end to chronie capitalism.
Marie
2:10 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012
My gay son is not a sexual pervert, and there is nothing amoral or unnatural about him. He is a beautiful human being, brilliant and funny and kind and humble. I not only support his "gay-ness" but I celebrate it, because it's who he is. Of course gay folks should be able to marry. They deserve the same chance at happiness as heterosexual couples.
Bob
12:38 am on Saturday, March 10, 2012
Marie, gay "marriage" isn't about the ability of a gay couple to be "happy", it's about taking resources from others to financially benefit gays and using government resources to promote acceptance of the gay lifestyle to children and the community. I STRONGLY disagree with using my family's resources for such purposes.
What your son chooses to do sexually is his business, not mine or anyone elses, until he wants to use the government to take from us and give to him and deny us the freedom to accept, or reject, his life choices for us and our families.
If he's willing to leave US alone, we're more than willing to let him live his life in the way that he sees fit and enjoy the "pursuit of happiness".
The gay community already has that. The "marriage" issue is about empowering gays to take from others, and I reject using government for that tyrany.
Kathie
1:24 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
I have more conservative views than not. But being conservative doesn't mean I have to be narrow minded. Comparing same sex partners to having sex with animals is ludacris! Compare humans to humans.
Where can I find credible information to support the vantage that "gays" are taking resources ($) from the government to "promote gay lifestyles?" Do heterosexuals take govt. resources ($) to take care of their loved ones and families? THE BIG QUESTION IS ~Are the people, who marry someone from the same sex-- working, paying taxes, volunteering in our community, supporting their families, sending their children to school? If the answer is "yes," then they have a right to "take government resources" (as much as I, or my husband,) and use these resources to provide for our loved ones. I would have a problem; IF there is a special tax exemption, or preferential treatment, or pardon given to people from supporting themselves (their families) ~JUST BECAUSE they are married to someone from the same sex.
Kathie
1:25 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
To use the "Man-Boy association" is a bad example. The point there isn't only about Men having sex with Boys. (Surf the web, find many, just-as-disgusting, "straight" pro- sex abuse "associations") Rape of girls by men/rape of a boys by women is NOT okay~ RAPE is criminal, same sex or not! My concern is that some people push "hot buttons" to make a point. The topic was about giving same-sex human beings & families the same legal rights as heterosexual human beings.
Bob
2:09 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
There is a REALLY slippery slope here regarding where you "draw the line" in supporting and validating certain sexual practices.
One problem here is the introduction of sexuality into the determination of eligibility, and entitlement, to someone else's resources.
For example, I could have a DEEP friendship with a man, the kind of relationship where you'd be willing to give your lives for each other, and that person would not be considered for automatic survivor benefits or to receive my estate upon death unless there was a sexual "marriage" relationship between us, or if they were specifically named beneficiary in civil law.
The fact that someone chooses to act sexually in same sex "marriage" shouldn't be a determining factor in entitlement.
Perhaps "survivor entitlement" in government benefits should be reconsidered. It was originally created in a society where a woman gave up her financial opportunities to stay home and raise a family, but it seemed "heartless" to penalize childless couples. From there it went doling out resources to what amounts to unmarried "significant others" with no legal bonds, even through parenthood.
Now some want to take it to homosexual couples, so why not extend them to other " close friends" who DON'T have a sexual relationship.
Using the gay lobby logic, you could wind up extending benefits to just about anybody claiming they're "close" to someone else.
We simply can't afford that.
Bob
2:17 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
The fact is that commercial law allows for gay couples to do everything they CLAIM they want for their partners. They can make them beneficiaries for their life insurance, stocks, bonds, and cash accounts and 401Ks without gay marriage, and wills can allow for transfer of estates.
Durable powers of attorney can be written so that the "significant other" can be empowered to the "pull the plug" decision should the time come.
The only difference with gay marriage would be additional eligibility for government entitlements that we can't afford to pay, and creating a legal basis for promoting gay relationships to our children in our schools.
I don't begrudge gays their choices, but when they seek to damage the rest of us economically and have us subsidize a lifestyle and school propaganda of which I don't approve, I have to oppose it.
Kathie
3:54 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Bob, I'm sorry to ask you to clarify, but your comment, "now some want to take it to homosexual couples, so why not extend them to other 'close friends' who DON'T have a sexual relationship." This seems to support the reason to HAVE same sex marriages. If it is a marriage, then the law and benefits are simply extended to "married couples."
Durable powers of attorney have been challenged, over-ridden or just plain out, ignored. In many states, hospitals have last say on whether to honor a durable power of attorney. The reality is that unless you are a legal relative, hospitals can choose not to grant you access. You still have not presented any evidence of how "they seek to damage the rest of us economically and have us subsidize [their] lifestyle." Again, if these people are working and paying taxes, they are subsidizing their own lifestyle, just as you and I are. I wish you could explain how "gay marriage" is relevant to "promoting gay relationships to our children in our schools," so that maybe I can try to understand where you are coming from. When was the last time you looked through the curriculum of our schools? Where or what subject would promote any type of relationship over, or in addition to another? I have been in the schools. I think a big challenge for our schools right now is to promote trust and respect between students and in relationships. The insincere "I don't begrudge gays their choices," is ironic. "Gays" choose to be legally equal to other human beings.
Bob
9:44 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Kathie, to clarify, you seem to be purporting that hospitals can arbitrarily ignore legal assigned powers of attorney in life sustaining services. The hospitals with which I've had contact, even the ones with Judeo Christian administration, wouldn't think of this, and might be liable to legal action should they excuse it. I challenge you to find a hospital that routinely refuses such powers to nonfamilial power executors.
Regarding how gay marriage could be used by gay activists, an liberal Eastern state found out the hard way how this was forced into their system.
Their statutes required public schools to provide sex education and "health" classes, and prior to gay marriage being approved only hetero relationships were taught in these classes.
After gay marriage was enacted, gay legal activists DEMANDED that gay practices and options be taught in ALL school health and sex education classes because it was "equal and comparable" to hetero marriage. Parents were not allowed to withdraw their children from these classes because this education was "mandated by the state".
Since schools were afraid of litigation and frivolous lawsuits from gay legal activists, they dared not say ANYTHING about the negative aspects of gay life or its contribution to the AIDS epidemic.
Parents had their freedom to raise their children as they saw fit stolen, and the gay and government tyrants had succeeded in stealing that freedom.
That's why some choose to fight gay oppression.
Dave W.
8:54 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Bob, Bob, Bob...we see you use you take the dishonest and misleading tack of saying you believe 'gays can do what they want', then go on to call what they would do bizarre sexual relationships. Not judgemental at all...
You say that unwed motherhood led to drug-use, crime, and despair; REALLY? Those didn't exist BEFORE...when? A couple of years ago? How about thousands, about as long as civilization has existed?
You say ""The usual "entitlement" mentality is now taking over, as it always does with an intrusive government."" Right AFTER saying "Since the old "sodomy" rules were ended, any committed human couple over 18 could engage in both a emotional and sexual relationship. Government stopped interfering in such relationships, which as someone who believes individual freedom and liberty I applaud." It is exactly the government's intrusion that restricts gay people from enjoying the same liberties you claim you 'applaud'.
You hyperbolically equate bestiality with homosexuality...nice!
Dave W.
9:11 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Gay people don't CHOOSE to be gay, nor do they CHOOSE to have your idiotic bigotry inflicted upon them.
This is the same ridiculous rhetoric spewed everytime a previously suppressed 'class' of people is 'granted' the same rights as others (typically white men). They are all human beings. (I'm not speaking for you, Bob, since what you say doesn't lend one to think so.) They are ALL either entitled or not, as are we other humans. If you want to complain about taxes, or unemployement, fine, but really, you just don't like their lifestyle or who they are as people, so you are creating red herrings to support your insidiously intolerant points of view.
Gay people are less likely to be lower class, are typically better educated, and have higher incomes and higher rates of home ownership, DESPITE the fact that they often have extra hurdles to jump when it comes to obtaining home loans DUE to not BEING MARRIED.
Bob
9:33 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Dave, YOUR bigoted intolerance and ignorance of anyone thinking differently that YOU makes your ridiculous and insulting comments unworthy of response, but for those others reading I'll address some of the points you brought up.
First, I would argue that living a gay sexual lifestyle IS a choice, unless YOU believe that gay compulsion makes them something less than human.
Many gays led satisfying heterosexual relationships prior to CHOOSING to engage in homosexual activity.Clearly their biology was hetero, their CHOICE was gay.
Regarding the MASSIVE increase in drug abuse, gang violence, and criminal activity after the government legitimized and sudsidized the cosen single parent lifestyle, virtually EVERY sociological study has correlated lack of a nuclear family, and/or valuing nuclear family principles, as a substantial contributor to these problems.
For GOSH SAKES< DO SOME READING!
If you can't see the difference between the government control being removed from it's citizens' bedroom and forcing it's other citizens to accept and subsidize a lifestyle they may find abhorrent and unworthy of support, I suggest you go back and spend at least a LITTLE time studying the Founders and the principles of freedom and liberty.
Dave W.
9:12 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Most of the things you complain about are actually dealing with private industry, such as insurance, or hospital rights...as Kathie asks, please demonstrate how or where a gay person being married is costing us anything extra. Especially since you ALSO say how gay people ALREADY have so many of the same rights as straight married people...this, Bob, is known as a contradiction in terms.
The whole thing is that you start with a faulty premise...that gays (which are in place of women or blacks or Jews, or Irish or pick your previous minority group white guys in power didn't like) are somehow NOT entitled to everything any other human is. What an absolute abhorrent, unfunny joke.
Dave W.
9:44 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Bob, you are THE gift that keeps on giving...
iceman63
9:47 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
For gosh sakes, I LOVE to read. Bob, please add some links to your information so we can all enjoy and become enlightened.
Kathie
11:21 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Bob, to your challenge: It DOES happen. And your "purporting" that any hospital would be taken to court for denying "gays their rights" is correct. BUT, that doesn't make up for being denied first. Or spending precious hours fighting to be granted rights, especially if the loved one dies. 1) From the New York Times, ".. nearly 75 percent of the hospitals have policies to protect their patients from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. However, sometimes the policies aren’t correctly implemented by hospital workers." (cited incidences CA, OR, FLA). 2)Tennessee lesbian denied rights at hospital, (http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/tennessee-lesbian-denied-hospital-visitation-rights/discrimination/2011/12/20/32183). 3)Maryland hospital denied gay to visit her same-sex partner (http://healthexecnews.com/why-did-hospital-deny-gay-spouse-visitation-rights) 4)Lesbian denied rights (http://www.care2.com/causes/hospital-apologizes-to-lesbian-denied-visitation-rights.html) The list goes on!
And are you purporting that an East coast school legally held students in school against their & their parents' will to study material that the parents deemed unfit for their child? Classes can be mandated by state law, BUT don't give me "shrinking parents thing!" I will bet, the school offered alternative material to those, whose parents did not want their children exposed to that information.
And just so you know, learning about "gay" lifestyles doesn't make someone gay.
Kathie
11:33 pm on Monday, March 12, 2012
Many studies were done on the spread of AIDS. Everyone has their beliefs, but all, some or none may be true. There were different strains of HIV so one group can't be singled out...also there was SIV (HIV in monkeys) "It is likely that we will never know who the first person was to be infected with HIV, or exactly how it spread from that initial person. Scientists investigating the possibilities often become very attached to their individual 'pet' theories and insist that theirs is the only true answer, but the spread of AIDS could quite conceivably have been induced by a combination of many different events. Whether through injections, travel, wars, colonial practices or genetic engineering, the realities of the 20th century have undoubtedly had a major role to play. Nevertheless, perhaps a more pressing concern for scientists today should not be how the AIDS epidemic originated, but how those it affects can be treated." (http://www.avert.org/origin-aids-hiv.htm)
Dave W.
11:56 am on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Kathie, how DARE you cite your sources! How will Bob repudiate them with mere knee-jerk homophobic reactionary spewings?
At the end of the day, he will insist that gay people aren't the equal of hetero people. Even if Bob isn't a racist, (I have no idea, so I won't disparage him for that), he must realize that there is a direct parellel to his thinking on this topic and how racists think now and certainly in the past about mixed marriages; or how people in further back, less enlightened time periods (or modern day Texas) fought against that 'radical theory' known as evolution. Just because some people, even a majority, think something is true, or is 'right' doesn't ACTUALLY make it so. That is why the courts have had to often enforce how the Constitution is supposed to work. It doesn't read "All men are created equal, except for the people Bob doesn't like." EVERYBODY is due the same rights, ALL the rights, ALL the time.
Do I feel like watching every program with a 'gay' angle, or some obvious agenda? Nope. I just don't watch. Do I think kids in school should learn that whatever they 'are' isn't what everybody 'is', even if it makes them or their parents uneasy? Yep, because nobody picks the 'I want to be gay' life tile when they are in some mythical line waiting to be 'sent' to be born. It just happens. The sooner we all learn to deal with each other with some understanding and compassion, the better off we will all be.