Take the Poll: Should Oak Lawn Reduce Hours for Trick or Treating?
Chime in and take the poll whether Oak Lawn should reduce the number of hours it allots kids to go trick or treating on Halloween.
Trustee Alex Olejniczak (Dist. 2) asked fellow board members whether the village should consider ending trick or treating earlier on Halloween. Currently the village allows kids to trick or treat between 3 and 8 p.m.
TAKE THE POLL and let your local representatives know your thoughts on trick or treating hours.
Connie Lemon
6:22 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
the hours for trick or treating in Oak Lawn have always been too long and too vague. I don't know where they're posted, but it seems to be a free-for-all, whenever the kids feel like going.
P Roberts
9:52 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
If, as Alex insists there was a long list of oldsters insisting on this change. the next time, if there is a next time, I want to see the list with signatures and 'yes or no' written after the name. I find it very difficult to believe such a list exists, it's just a unnecessary attempt show of "who is boss" If there is a petition in Oak Lawn, lets see who is behind it first. Fool me once and so on.
B. Brennan
10:02 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
P Roberts:
You would think Alex is against the elders, considering he just helped send a 70 year old woman to jail.
Dan Smith
7:02 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
I do not understand why there is a curfew for one of the greatest holidays of all time? If you ask me, its a dumb idea! Its like saying "What time should we end Christmas?".
When I was a kid, I used to Trick or Treat until my legs were numb. Also, when I was younger, the best time to do all the Trick or Treating was at Night!
It makes me mad that concerned parents want to ruin the holiday for the rest of us. If you are worried about your kids, go with them! My parents always came with my and my sisters, and we turned out okay!
Just go back to the old fashioned way! Check on the kids candy, do safety precautions, like flashlights and such...
And speaking of flashlights, if you lower the curfew, think about how much business will be hurt. There are companies who make Halloween Themed Flashlights and safety gear. What is the whole point of making those items if the kids can't stay out a little later.
I say neglect this idea! It will ruin the holiday for people who love it, and it will ruin the fun for the kids who want to go trick or treating, and it will ruin businesses.
SQUIRREL
1:07 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
I agree fully let them be the kids they are.
CJM
7:28 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Years ago I lived in a 'burb where the trick or treat time was always done the Sunday closest to Halloween between 2-6. I thought this was ridiculously intrusive at first, but then grew to like it. It turned into an impromptu block party where the adults were able to enjoy themselves as well as the little monsters.
True, it's not like when I grew up in Oak Lawn when we roamed all over town, sometimes still ringing doorbells as late as 9p or 10p, but times are different now. 8pm seems perfectly reasonable as a stopping time to me. And think about that Sunday idea....it was really a pretty cool thing.
JakeOL
10:54 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
"It turned into an impromptu block party where the adults were able to enjoy themselves as well as the little monsters." HAHAHAH wow.
P Roberts
8:47 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Once again, I would like to see a list of those who supposedly petitioned this change. I don't believe there is one. It would be easy to put up on the village web site to PROVE it's just not one or two board people. Alex claims hundreds. Wouldn't you like to know it thats actual or made up out of whole cloth to get his name in the paper? I, for one cant believe that that many people would like to ruin an evening of fun for our kids. Especially when all you have to do is turn off your lights, and the kids will get the message fast! What kid want to talk to crabby old people?
Jim Vondracek
7:42 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
I vote to leave the hours as they are
OakLawnGuy
8:43 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Dan, I don't know what years your childhood covered, but it's a whole different world now. It's changed just in the last 10 years. Whether they are accompanied by parents or not, there are plenty of nutty drivers in OL who think signs for stopping and speed limits are suggestions. Besides, ever see how much candy a kid tosses out the week after Halloween? Maybe the fun is in the hunt, but considering they get out of school around 3:30 or 4:00 at the latest, giving them a couple hours to run around the neighborhood is plenty.
Grunty
9:24 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
I'm sorry OakLawnGuy, but its not a whole different world now. The only difference today is that we have more information available to us. The same bad things happened "back then" as they do today, you are just more aware of it.
There is no real good data on the amount of adbuctions per year over the last 50 years, but what I do know fromt he research I did last year when my wife and I disagreed with letting our 13 y/o son walk 5 blocks to a gas station on his own (she was against it) is that of the hundreds of thousands of "missing children" across the country, only a very very small fraction are actually non-family abductions. There is a higher chance that your kid will break a bone just playing, then there is of them being abducted.
I personally think to many people leash thier kids, and those kids will never grow up to be the leaders that we want them to be, because they have grown up being told what, when, and how to do everything in thier lives.
Anyways, I think 8 is a good time, and I think its mutually agreeable by most people. I would give candy to a kid up to probably 9:30.
OakLawnGuy
11:50 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Well, yeah, it's different. More cars, more people driving recklessly, for example. You seem to be referring to dangers of children being by themselves, abductions and such, and I have to say having grown up on the Southwest Side in a neighborhood with literally a few thousand kids in a square mile, I think kids are in more danger today if left to their own devices. There's a degree of less cooperation among neighborhood parents trying to keep each others' kids safe, as well as their own.
Sure, the tight leash has its disadvantages. I think what would encourage kids to grow up more responsible (not everyone's going to be a leader) is for the parents to teach them overall responsibility in their lives. I don't think that necessarily means letting them walk to Freshline by themselves, or something of that nature.
I supported a 6PM cutoff time in an earlier post, not thinking of working parents. Considering that, I'd go with sticking to 8PM, but for that reason and not because the kids need to have their fun or need to learn to be out and about.
Grunty
12:32 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
I totally see where you are coming from. Certainly in Oak Lawn there are more cars and more people driving recklessly then in the past, and that will only increase as the population increases. However, also growing up on the southside of chicago, I can say with a bit of confidence, that the streets back in the 80's where even more congested then the streets of oak lawn are today. If we focus on vehicles and reckless driving, well vehicles can stop alot faster due to poor reaction time by a driver.
I get that really isn't your focus though. Its everything from the drivers, abductions, kids eating candy before you can expect it (lets call them external factors), to the kids themselves behaving badly.
Kids need to be trained to be aware of thier surroundings and act approprietly. God forbid they get into a situation that turned really bad. But someday, something will happen and they will be put into a situation that the parents are not around to help them with, and it could happen sooner then we want.
I think we agree on principal (and lets be perfectly honost, is halloween a good day to teach your kids to go out on thier own, probably not).
I totally agree with you on the parents not cooperating with other parents thing though. Unfortunatly, most parents don't care what other kids are doing unless it affects their kid, or thier personal space.
OakLawnGuy
12:53 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Plus, Grunty, you're '80s and I'm '60s. Two different eras to be sure, and traffic was far nuttier in the '80s than the '60s. So - we come at this from a couple different angle.
SQUIRREL
1:09 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
You talk like you are ready for your grave. The whole world is about change so let our kids stick around for a while and have fun!!
OakLawnGuy
2:21 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
I'm not sure where you get any of that from my replies, but.....go with it if it works for you.
JakeOL
5:11 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Everyone needs to chill out and let the kids go trick or treating. Let their parents decide when they want their children to come home. And I was a kid only 5 years ago, I turned out just fine. All my friends are fine and we were all out late. So actually no one really knows how trick or treating is because the last time you went trick or treating with your friends (not your kids) was more than a decade or two ago.
Dan Smith
5:31 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
@JakeOL
Exactly! I would not put that better myself!
JakeOL
10:52 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
The OakLawnGuy clearly has nothing to say to someone who actually went trick or treating in Oak Lawn within a ten year time period. If anyone at all would like to argue with me or anyone against restricting a tradition of a childhood memory please keep on posting on this because I will gladly like to disprove any "different world" theories people may have. I don't mean to be argumentative but I don't like when people are talking about there own kids and how they want to ban something like halloween. Get REAL.
Debbie Stoffregen
8:48 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Since it's on a weekday, I think it's fine. Working parents need time to get home and get their kids dressed to go out and still have time to take them around. It's when it is on a weekend when hours are Noon to 8 p.m. that it's way too long.
P Roberts
10:20 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
Lets hold up for a second. Is this about children and a number of minutes, or the OL board telling parents what to do without being asked. Trips down memory lane can be fun, but what does that have to do with an ordinance that can get you a ticket? Next time it could be what Church you attend as an adult. The board over stepped it's ability to control citizens and should pulll in its horns.Not for minutes, all the time.
B. Brennan
10:28 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
DLC Dave, are you suggesting that Halloween is a pagon holiday and for that reason it should not be celebrated? Well what child thinks or know the true meaning of the holiday anyways? To a child Halloween is a time to dress up and get lots of candy, not about ghosts or goblins! Why does religion have to be thrown into everything we do??? It is a fun holiday for all!!!
ME
10:41 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Look people! Halloween is a fun time for kids (and adults from time to time) to dress up and go to people's houses to load up with free candy. The kids absolutely love it. Let them be kids and continue to love it. Most schools in district 123 have a half day so I say let the kids start trick-or-treating on their way home from school at 1130am. If people are not home, then the kids can come back later. If you shorten the time at night, it doesn't give working parents enough time to get home and get their kids out. Those of you who are worried about crazies, go with your kids. That's the best thing you can do. If you kids think they are too big to have you walk with them, then drive along or walk where you can see them. LET THE KIDS GET THEIR CANDY AND HAVE FUN DRESSING UP. THAT'S WHAT HALLOWEEN IS ALL ABOUT TO KIDS. Don't analyze it into something it's not.
Now go out and get yourselves a costume and have some fun. Don't sit there moaning.
B. Brennan
10:44 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Couldn't say it better myself. I totally agree with you ME. have a great Halloween....
Dan Smith
5:33 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Bravo, man! This guy, "ME" has the right idea!
JakeOL
10:55 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
There you go. About time an adult would back up their children. Good to hear.
Diane
11:03 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Ditto to "ME". Let's enjoy life, and Halloween is a day in life!
SM
11:19 am on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
I had a kid knock on my door at 12 noon last year...I was still in my pjs! Even 3 pm I find a bit early, personally. I don't want to be running to the door all day long. A few evening hours are fine to me.
SQUIRREL
1:06 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Has everyone forgotten what being a child is all about? Please think back when you were a child! Right now everything is in an uproar in our economy at least lets try and keep things solid with the children. LET THEM HAVE THEIR FUN
P Roberts
10:27 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011
And in this case, what being a citizen is all about. Taking orders? Raising your own kids? Being a responsible adult? I'm beginning to wonder just WHAT this is truly about!
PD
1:23 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
If the parents are with the little ones then make it until 8PM. It's difficult to come home from work and then if the time is too early it's too late for them to go out. They should make a curfew for the teens and let me clarify not all teens are overly rambunctious but then so many of them just want to throw toilet paper in the trees and shaving cream all over everything. If you tell me your going to clean it up then maybe I'll change my mind but I don't think that will happen.
Jim
6:05 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Bigger government is bigger trouble. If you want to change the times remember that at election time. it looks like 68% of the people are against a change. See you at election time.
Diana Kutnar
9:06 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
BUTT out Village goverment-----Parents are quite capable of taking care of their kids
Becky Staszak
10:44 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
Being a parent and wanting to enjoy the entire day of fun with my girls... I really like the Sunday idea!!
The only thing that really bugs me is when my lights are off, please don't ring my bell or yell on my porch... I'm either out of candy and can't "treat" you or I'm trying to get my kids ready for bed... so respect the lights out please!
Lisa Leschman
11:15 pm on Tuesday, October 4, 2011
My kids will go from the time they get out of school till about 8pm = at that point i shut my outdoor light off and end the evening. I'm with my kids while they are out having fun and discourage going to houses that are dark. The Village if given the chance will set up times rather than suggesting times and would probably tax us if they could - (If you plan to hand out candy buy a permit for 5.00) Halloween is supposed to be fun - Parents be responsible for your kids. Enjoy the holiday
OL Resident
9:09 pm on Thursday, October 6, 2011
My children have grown and left. I am in my fifties. I have lived in this town since 1960. I see no reason to change the time. Not all parents have the luxury to come home early to take their little one out in the evening. Just because I can be home before 4 does not mean the single parent who takes the train has the same luxury. The government moved daylaight savings time back one week to accomodate Halloween. What ever happends with vandals is happening after 8 when it is dark. If Alex wants to curtail criminal activity he can do so by suggesting a Halloween curfew of 8 PM for all children (16 years and under) every October 31. I think every home owner would not object to that.
To the rest of my neighbors who want to see it end at 7. Its only once a year . Your children enjoyed the same time. It is time for your younger neighbors to enjoy the same benefits you (and I) had.
Im in my fifties. I own my own home. Children come and ring my bell. My house has been egged, My car has been egged. It angers me; but it does not change me. I am not ready to turn into "ol man Potter". If you disagree, I am guessing that you are the neighbor who gave me the candy in the black or orange wrapper (that no one ever ate). I still think I have some of them in my old dresser at my mothers house.
DLC DAVE
12:40 pm on Friday, October 7, 2011
The candy in the orange and black wrappers are peanut butter kisses ,those are great ,I don't know about the ones in your dresser lol I had my daughter ship me 2 bags last year up to Canada as I moved from the area cost her 28 dollars to ship 2 dollars worth of candy . no you can't find them up here or the great popcorn balls either . I may come home every Halloween lol
Lorraine Swanson
7:03 pm on Friday, October 7, 2011
I always hated the candy that came in the orange and black wrappers. They were always the last thing I'd eat out of my trick or treat bag.
c
9:29 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
It is a responsibility to allow your children out and trust them. Curfew? Not sure. I always leave my porch lite on until I am done or out of "treats." In the 34 years we have lived here, there has never been a problem. So leave it alone.
Grunty
9:38 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
They voted it in with Carol as the only dissenting vote.
B. Brennan
10:28 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
So what is the new curfew?
who cares
11:19 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
We have 9.1% unemployment,rising taxes,demonstrations,wars going on, global economic troubles,and yet we have 40 comments about Halloween hours??? Who cares!!! Please let's get some priorities straight. Besides Halloween is really a pagan holiday which commerates the day of the dead oct.31st.
Dan Smith
7:19 am on Wednesday, October 12, 2011
Oh great, another nut who thinks Halloween is for the devil....
Halloween is a fun holiday, and not only the government should not get involved, but the church as well...
It's not a pagan Holiday! There is nothing wrong with dressing up in costumes and going door to door to get candy...
And as far as the other issues go (the unemployment issues and War), that is a whole different topic. I think you should go complain about that somewhere else...
Dan Smith
9:03 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
People, listen up!
If you don't believe that the curfew should be 7, I say let your kids out after 7! Show the Trustees that nothing bad will happen to them around that time!
Show the Trustees what it means to actually celebrate Halloween! If you all think that it is unfair that the Trustees are doing this, then I say disregard the curfew, go with your kids at night, and have one hell of a good time going door to door while saying "Trick or Treat"!
If you agree with this, you can reply, or copy this message and post it again, it doesn't matter! We need to be heard, and Damn it all, Kids need to be kids and have fun!