What Should Go Here?
It's time to weigh in on the fate of the Sears/Kmart property at 110th Street and Cicero Avenue?
We’ve watched this commercial property at 110th Street and Cicero Avenue deteriorate for a long time. If you’ve driven through the parking lot lately, it’s like driving on the moon. With the settlement of the Sears Holdings Co. litigation over leasehold rights and the village’s purchase of the property from J.C. Penney, we can finally dream about the kinds of stores and businesses we’d like to see here.
A Big Lots? Cash for Gold? HHGregg? Abercombie and Fitch? Macy's? Anything as long as it isn't a Sears store?
How high should the village aim? Tell us in the comments.
STM
6:43 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
What we need there is a good reasonable grocery store like Shop'n'Save or Big Lots not another Jewels or Dominics. We don't need any high class stores where a ladies dress will cost $500. There are many plain people living in Oak Lawn that are on a fixed income and they would not afford a high end store. How about a betting parlor like in Crestwood? That would bring in big income for the Village of Oak Lawn.
Joe Skibinski
10:13 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Revenues from a OTB are attractive. However, it's not a great idea from a publlic policy perspective. Primary concern being for those on fixed incomes!
Rodwell
7:01 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
It's pretty cut and dry-anything for kids, parents spend alot of money, a coffee house, great eatery like gibsons steak house, a game center games r us, some sort if night life that adults can have a place to hang. If oak lawn bought the land lets invest ourselves and forget the contractors !
Joe Skibinski
10:20 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
How about a nice, reasonably priced dinning/dancing establishment. I'm sure many parents could use solid local distraction that gives them a nice change of pace, keeps them close to home and helps to preserve the college fund. Make it locally owned by someone who has a stake in the community or even a group of local investors. Lets try to encourage all of those who work at the numerous new medical facilities in town to live and shop as close to work as possible!
Lolav
7:13 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
We need to leave our K-mart alone and put whatever stores you want around it. It is the only K-mart that I feel comfortable going to. The other one in Oak Lawn is right across the street from Jewel where they have signs that read "watch your purse." What's wrong with making the k-mart store the anchor store and putting what ever other stores you decide on around it and make a profitable mall out of the area.
RobertS
8:15 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
That K-mart is already slated to close within a few months from corporate closings.
Dave W.
7:46 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Not corporate closings, forced through legal wrangling with Oak Lawn...NO K-marts were slated to be closed in Illinois. (Though they may have not been to distressed to let this one close...)
NANCY GRACE
7:28 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Super-Target or Meijer(like the one in Naperville) instead of K-mart!!
Kim
7:40 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Regular, modestly priced stores. If we want high end, we can travel 20 minutes to oak brook. We need a super super target, a family restaurant but keep it modest!
Steve Pilat
7:41 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Trader joes, whole foods, I am tired of driving to Willowbrook or orland park to get high quality produce and meats. There are already to many cheapo stores in the OL area. Let's class it up a bit
Joe Skibinski
9:44 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Everyone drives through the neighborhood checking out schools and local businesses when looking for a new home. What do local realtors think would help their offerings sell faster and at premium prices? Certainly not cash for gold and dollar stores.
amz
11:44 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Trader Joes is the way to go!!!
Dave W.
7:49 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
HONESTLY, as a local real estate agent, I can tell you...while it depends, of course, some questions are more repeated than others...Income levels, how close are schools, how good are the schools, how is crime, is house X a good value, how long will I have to live in it to make my money back...is this (location X) the 'good' side of town...some are less frequent; parks the library, shopping, restaurants. Some will, sadly ask, about the ethnic make-up (and not always the ones you think!), but some things, race, familial status, etc, are off limits. My quote on those things, in fact, is "Even if I could legally tell you, I wouldn't, and even if I wanted to, I couldn't legally do so." I then refer them to the census bureau or zipskinny.com for whatever THEY think is important, so long as they don't tell ME what they use in regard to our search.
I work a bit more with buyers and renters, so I come across these types of questions from people who are typically looking to move INTO Oak Lawn, versus maybe move out if they are selling. They are concerned with finding out what kind of town Oak Lawn is, for them, their families, kids, pets, everything.
Dave W.
7:49 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
We (Oak Lawn) are competing with every surrounding collar town, as well as some further in, due to Metra access. Our taxes are low to comparable with many neighboring areas (like Evergreen Park, for example, but not only them). Our library is second to none, really. The parks DO say to young couples or families that there is a place for them to raise their children. We have senior services, we have family services, charities, churches of nearly every stripe...We have carnivals and the Fall on the Green. People either know and are attracted by those things, or find out and are pleasantly surprised by them.
Every so often, though, I do get asked why we have so many vacant businesses in prime spots, to which I often don't have a great answer. Oddly, empty homes don't bother people as much, probably because they figure it is helping them move here. empty retail is noticeable, though, it seems. Which is why I harp on it. I want those palces filled, but while I don't want another gold exchange, or another currency exchange, and please, NO MORE BANKS...yeesh...I don't know why people have such over the top expectations for chains that barely survive in WIllowbrook (WholeFoods) to move in here with a lower median income. Not that we can never upscale, but those things don't happen in a month or even a year just by adding a store that nobody in the town can afford. It takes gradual steps, attractive infrastructure (good schools, low crime) and time for those results.
chris
6:01 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
i agree
DC
7:52 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
k-mart sucks. They're prices are too high--no deals there. Plus, that store is trashy. Makes Wal Mart in Bridgeview seem like Macys. Well.....maybe not. Oak Lawn does need another grocery store suck as Mejer, Super Wal-Mart or maybe even a Whole Foods.
DC
7:53 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
*such...
Leslee Heinlen
8:00 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I agree with Steve, Trader Joes or Whole Foods. Oak Lawn deserves some class, and good food!
Elly
8:09 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Trader Joes or Whole Foods. We don't need low end stores. We already have two aldi's in close proximity. Let's class it up a bit.
n/a
8:11 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Trader Joes or Whole Foods would rock!
RobertS
8:19 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Whole Foods, Meijer, Walts, Caribou Coffee, 5 Guys Hamburgers, etc., but I would also like to see Wolfe Wildlife expanded or perhaps include a park on this property. Oak Lawn has so much commercial property available already, I personally would like to see something a bit different there that would distinguish this community from all the others.
DC
8:21 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Whats the use....It's gonna look like this for another 10 years.
Maureen Jerge
8:23 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Looking for a Super Kmart, Whole Foods, & Olive Garden. Keep Flapjacks! Great restaurant! The developers need to concentrate on the strip mall facing Cicero.
Joe Skibinski
9:48 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Work with the existing merchants to improve their business. Not drive them out. Furthermore, How about a nice dinning/dance establishment that is locally owned and operated. Check out the local history center at the Oak lawn Library. This was quite a town when I was a kid.
wren
1:14 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
keep flapjack's for sure! and as one of the existing businesses here, i LOVE joe s' idea! i'm all for improving our area ~ we truly love it here, and would like nothing more than to be in oak lawn for many, many more years to come.
OakLawnGuy
8:29 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
A grocery store. Walt's, Super Walmart, Shop N Save....just about any grocery store will do. Dominick's is no longer an option in this area, since the Oak Lawn, Bridgeview and Orland stores closed, so Jewel has practically no competition. I've seen it happen in other areas where the options shrink and the prices rise. Jewel prices have risen substantially in the last 2 years or so and now there's nothing, or no one, to hold them down. Notice how the sale ads have shrunk as well? Meijer is opening at 92nd and Western and we intend to explore that as an option when the time comes.
RobertS
8:48 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I will say this, Freshline does give Jewel a run for its money...look at the number of people that shop there and their prices—they do very well and rightly so, it's a great grocery store for Oak Lawn and surrounding communities.
OakLawnGuy
10:07 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Freshline can't be beat for the quality of meat and produce. Their prices are not too out of line from Jewel. The store does not have quite the selection that the larger chains provide. It's a really good food store, but an option would provide more competition for both Jewel and Freshline, and benefit the buyers.
Dave W.
7:54 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
OLG, might I suggest Food For Less in Burbank or Ultra at 87th and Kedzie for competitve prices, given that you seem willing to travel to Western already...also, by now I'm sure you have heard that Fairplay is coming to 87th and Cicero, which will be another good alternative (same suppliers as Freshline, I believe...).
david
8:49 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
how about a brand new updated community pavillion with an indoor pool to use year round?
RobertS
8:53 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Amen!!! I would love to see this property go towards public use!!! We have ample commercial property on Cicero and 95th Street, this property could make a statement about the community and its family values.
Joe Skibinski
9:39 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Expanded public use is great. However, the ultimate goal is to get this proerty back on the tax rolls in a way that generates the greatest amount of property and sales taxes. However, when a developer is found, he may find it beneficial to expand the wildlife refuge. Perhaps, even build a modest nature museum. Such an amenity may not only help to build public goodwill, it may also enhance the overall value of the development.
OakLawnGuy
10:16 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I wouldn't trust the Park District to concoct and, more to the point, operate an upscaled pavilion. I would trust them less with a public pool; they've managed to run theirs into the ground (literally). The existing Pavilion is in decay, and the programs deserve better than what that facility can provide.
DAL
8:54 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
We need a place with quality fresh produce in this area. I agree with the people above that say we need a Trader Joe's or Whole Foods. It would be great to have an area similar to what Orland has. A bookstore, more restaurant selections, anything that is going to help Oak Lawn grow and pump more revenue into our city. It is an area with great potential and everything around it is going to change eventually. I personally cannot wait to see what is going to happen.
Joe Skibinski
9:53 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Definitely! But, let's move beyond naming favorite stores. This is the largest single piece of property available for development in decades. It goes beyond the retail space to include the industrial properties behind Park Lawn. It can become a catalyst for development for not only Oak Lawn but all of its neighbors as well. Any ideas on the larger concept?
Cori
8:54 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Trader Joe's would be perfect. A lot of people I talk to would love to not have to travel far to get to one. They have great quality food and their prices on most items are quite reasonable. My mother, who is on a fixed income, loves to shop there. She feels she gets real value there.
JR
9:02 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
No more discount retailers, they attract low-class shoppers and crime. I agree with the burning need for better grocery shopping, such as Trader Joe's. I disagree with the comment about going to Oakbrook or elsewhere for upscale shopping because we need to establish a solid retail base in Oak Lawn that will generate sales tax revenues. I would like to see the development incorporate the Wolf Wildlife park by having restaurants with outdoor seating overlooking the wooded area. And maybe plant more trees throughout the development, all the way out to the corner of 111th & Cicero.
OakLawnGuy
10:13 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
It's been the intent of the Board to incorporate Wolfe Wildlife with new development in some fashion, and extend the bike path to one which the County wants to link to Cal Sag and beyond. I'm with you regarding the upscale shopping, I'm not sure the demographics here would support it and we need to provide more everyday options to people.
BibbidyBobbidyBoo
9:04 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I want to spend my money in my community, so driving to Orland for Trader Joe's and Willowbrook for Whole Foods is very frustrating. Oak Lawn needs new restaurants (again, why am I aways dining in Orland or Oakbrook?), a big grocery store with great produce, a family-friendly recreation spot (with tight security, the gangs have taken enough of our town), a music venue, a movie theater complex (don't get me started on that dump in Crestwood and who goes to Chicago Ridge without feeling like you're in danger?), a fabric store. In the meantime, I sure would love to see the existing building brought down. That property has been an embarrassment for years.
Rodwell
9:10 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I like the pool idea that can be added value to the oak lawn area, trader joes is a plus. I'm sure people with ideas and designs for that property. Please factor in a good security systems to monitor who comes in and out of the ara due to outsides that will make an effort to rob or steal. CCTV direct to the police station and police cars!
Jose Madrigal
9:35 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Lorraine Swanson(photo credit/comment)
The big pile of snow was a result of their parking lot being plowed. Which, by the way, is done better than the schools in Oak Lawn clear their parking lots/sidewalks. And as to what should go into that location, why are you asking us, the powers that be in the village will do like always, whatever they want!
prophet12155
10:25 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
In this and in other articles about this property, people talk about feeling "unsafe" going to Crestwood, Chicago Ridge and even the Jewel and Kmart in Oak Lawn on 95th and Pulaski. Crestwood, Chicago Ridge, Evergreen Park, Alsip and Worth are all our surrounding suburbs where shoppers would come to Oak Lawn to shop. Trader Joe's and Whole Foods will never come to Oak Lawn. These types of companies do their homework too! They look at Oak Lawn and look at the income, etc of not only Oak Lawn, but the surrounding communities. If residents of Oak Lawn "do not feel safe" going to these communities, then the reciprocal would be true as well. Neither of these 2 companies will ever risk moving into Oak Lawn. We are not their "target market"........more.....
prophet12155
10:33 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
That being said, Oak Lawn needs to think bigger picture and maybe a little bit "outside of the box" on this property. Has anyone every been to an Angelo Caputo's Fresh Market? Check it out....http://caputomarkets.com/ This is what Oak Lawn needs. I remember the first time driving out to one and thinking "its just a grocery store" and then I walked in and took a deep breath. It is what a grocery/market should smell like.......fresh produce, an amazing deli counter, fresh baked bread!
Some have said a movie theather.....let's go a step further.....Hollywood Boulevard in Woodridge.......http://www.atriptothemovies.com/index.php?src=news&srctype=detail&category=media%20reviews&refno=1 You can have dinner, drinks and see a show. Each theather has a theme inside. It is not only seeing a movie, it is an experience.
In addition to larger scale stores such as an Ulta, a Joann Fabrics or such, smaller stores need to intertwine with these creating a "smaller" town feel to this project as well........an old fashioned malt and candy shop........a beading store........a few quirky stores, locally owned to add to the ambience.
Outdoor space must be taken into consideration as well......trees, benches, fountains, Wolfe Wildlife trail.......this should be a unique area, as Oak Lawn is a unique town. Oak Lawn needs something fresh and unique now. Keep up the new ideas!
Hoghead
10:43 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
How about enticing a well-named established restaurant (possibly a Lettuce Entertain You) such as Maggiano's or a Mon-Abi-Gabi. Get Jack-in-the-Box to come back. I know that is fast food but whenever I am on the West Coast - that is my first stop from the airport.
BibbidyBobbidyBoo
11:30 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Well, if we're going to start naming pie-in-the-sky wish-list places - I want In-N-Out Burger!!!
Pat F
12:04 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Seems like everyone is wanting a Trader Joes?? I personally don't see them building here because our incomes don't match suburbs where they normally locate..Why don't you start a letter writing campaign to Aldi Nord, the people who own Joes to try out a new concept store..It would have a mix of Trader Joe and Aldi products to please all consumers.. It seems logical to me as Trader Joes and Aldi Foods are both part of ALDI Nord which is Aldi Foods!!
2nd
12:13 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I'd really like to see a bookstore, a Meijers store, a Trader Joe's or Whole Food store, some kind of salon/spa establishment, and a fabric and crafts store. Mostly, I'd like to see some the land developed into a nice outdoor space for families to walk/play and enjoy. Perhaps tied into the Wolfe area. And no bars (unless its inside some upscale type restaurant), no gold stores, no Big Lots/Family Dollar type stores, no car title loan places, etc. We've got enough of that low rent type of business in Oak Lawn.
wren
1:33 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
we do have a salon/spa over here already! abracadabra is in the courtyard building, and is really a nice establishment. you should check them out if you're really looking for a salon and spa.
there is also a wonderful chiropractor (if i do say so myself!) who has also been in oak lawn for over five years, and just recently opened in the courtyard building. there are great local businesses over here, and we need even more!
andy skoundrianos
12:30 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Remember this is a TIF district, so all the property taxes will be frozen for a period of years until the development pays it back . This my take up to 30 years depending on how successful the project is. No one can say really what will go there it's up to a developer. Everyone has a wish list but that doesn't mean it will happen. Remember all the talk of specialty stores at the Brandt TIF?? We ended up with a bank,a bed store and a video store( the video and bed store have since been replaced) so it would be nice to have all these specialty stores but if developers don't think they will make money,they are not going to build them.Personally I have never believed in giving company's tax breaks to develop property in a town. Government should not be in the real estate development business.
Costco rocks
12:43 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Costco...enough said.
Dave W.
8:04 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
WAY too close to the one in Bedford Park...they will NEVER do that.
CJM
12:49 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I'm getting deja vu! Seems like there was just a discussion on this a couple days ago.
Why, oh why do so many contend that Oak Lawn can't support something better than discount junk and mediocre fast food? While there are surely a number of working class, it's hardly what anyone would consider a low-rent town. I posted this last week, but it bears repeating: while true that *median* income is lower than Orland or Tinley, the % of households earning greater than $100K per year is similar. That's a very attractive demographic for higher end retailers. (continued)
CJM
12:50 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Unfortunately, I don't think higher end retailers will come to OL, but not because of incomes. I think they are avoiding Oak Lawn because it looks like the village is in the path of the same racial, social, and economic changes that turned almost the entire south side of the city and many southern suburbs into extensions of the ghetto. It's an uncomfortable truth.
This parcel represents a chance to do something big; to make Oak Lawners proud of their village; to keep discretionary dollars in Oak Lawn instead of driving to Orland and beyond, and maybe, just maybe, keep some folks in Oak Lawn instead of perpetuating the resegregation cycle.
The powers that be in Oak Lawn could use a modern day Daniel Burnham, and some of the ideas here have definitely stirred my blood. (Mr. Skibinski, I like how you think!)
I like the Commerce meets Nature concept, the "restaurant row" ideas, perhaps weekend Farmers Markets and Art Fairs, and maybe a good local bus route or Village Trolley to get Oak Lawners to the location without driving.
S. DuBois
1:59 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I think that CJM has combined the best of the previous suggestions, and addressed the need for a n outstanding civic engineer/planner like the great D. Burnham as an essential. CJM also addresses the socio-economic element that the many calls for cheap discount retailers, fast food and bars overlook. Oak Lawn is still a decent, fairly stable community with a pretty respectable median income figure. Why do residents stay away from the 95th and Pulaski shopping district ? Why has there been so many problems in this Kmart parking lot? Who has caused the most trouble and vandalism in facilities like the nearby park district community center? Outsiders, who are drawn into our community by the low-end retailers, OTB, bars, cash loan establishments, and ridiculously low facility rental rates that the park district offers and taxpayers subsidize. Lets support an upscale project tailored to our community's needs; let's support a plan similar to the mayor's own original plan for a shopping village-like design.
Mark Dynia
1:45 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Whatever happens and whoever comes the residents need to have input. Current traffic configurations near the area (inside the neighborhood) will have to change. With the recent development of the Edgar Funeral home and Kenwood Liquor employees and customers, using 108th street and Lacrosse Avenues for parking and thru streets, matters will only grow exponentially. There needs to be a “Do-Not-Enter” at 108th & Lacrosse and Residential Parking ONLY Parking Permits on 108th Street & 109th Street and 107th & 108th Lacrosse Avenues along with 107th Lamon & 108th Lamon Avenues. The neighborhood has changed. There are many new families with young children. With the increased traffic it’s a an accident waiting to happen. The area is already dangerous with Kenwood as anyone can attest especially during the holidays.
S. DuBois
2:00 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Stoney Creek, the source of the Wolfe wetlands, once flowed through this property; it now runs under it. Let's extend the park and bike path, and reopen the creek through part of the development. And how about retail development that will improve our citizens quality of life in addition to producing revenue? Trader Joe's is was the #1 choice of residents polled for this location. TJ's sells wonderful, healthful and affordable high quality foods and products. TJ's is a great draw that would be worth some tax incentives to attract. Since TJ's offerings are somewhat select, reach out to Meijer to open here as the large anchor store. Meijer's Naperville is a combination merchandiser/ grocery store, while the version at 159th & Harlem is primarily Grocery; quality and pricing here is attractive, and as a bonus, Meijer offers a fine and economical selection of organic/local grown/natural produce and product lines, far better than the local competitors, and far less expensive than Whole Foods (who wouldn't consider locating here anyway.) So here's where Burnham comes in, and designs quality, low density buildings, a pleasing parkl-ike environment with less parking lot, more walkways, grass, trees and water. Body and soul are taken care of; now add something for the mind with a bookstore, cafe/coffeehouse, some stores for children, and specialty shops that make shopping fun. Quality possibilities are endless.
S. DuBois
2:00 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Those who want their discount stores an fast foods can find them nearby. Let's support a project to help keep Oak Lawn our home community, serve our residents rather than providing resources for people who come here to utilize ours while supporting other economies, and bring our own quality of life up, not down,
Glen Kato
2:11 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I think they should tear down the old buildings and invite the circus to use the grounds until something worthy comes along.
Dave W.
8:08 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
I keep saying amusement park...family fun, and ideal at a mostly dead-end retail location...(Literally, if you consider the kitty-corner neighbors...)
Sheldon Cooper
2:41 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
How about something REALLY new and innovative!?
I propose a giant, Bar/Brothel/Strip club/gambling casino!
I can almost PROMISE you that it will generate a lot of revenue!
Spare me from more traditional grocery stores, discount stores, movie theaters, restaurants, fast food joints, and the like!!! The area is already glutted with them!!
As for watching your purse, I strongly recommend that you continue to do so in whatever they ultimately build at this location.
As to a SuperWalMart, Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
All I have to say to THAT is, 'Be careful what you wish for!!'
Don't get me wrong. If they put one there, I shall be a regular customer!!
But I think plenty of Oak Lawn residents will be a bit dismayed by the 'ambience' of the place!!
Certainly, it won't do much in the way of adding 'class' to Oak Lawn!!
Whole foods? I truly doubt they'd be interested in locating here, especially since they're already having a bit of trouble where they are right now!!
No, these suggestions are all very well and good, but what we REALLY need is an IKEA!!
Why!!!!? Because I'd like to have one. (And it's all about ME!)
They're pretty big, though. Is there enough room?
If I can't have an IKEA, I want Trader Joe's. I think they would do quite well here!!
But it would result in fewer Orland customers and perhaps they don't want to lose them.
STM
6:02 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I'm with you on the Bar/brothel/strip club/ gambling casino.
S. DuBois
6:18 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Trader Joe's maintains a ten mile-radius between stores. That's one criteria we do meet; it's just over ten miles to the Orland store.
Thomas F Sullivan
3:45 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
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Lisa C
4:14 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
TRADER JOE'S AND WHOLE FOODS!!!!! And maybe a GOOD Restaurant.
Don't drink the koolaid
6:10 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
The demos ain't here for trader joes. They're expensive. The residents of casimir have no buying power and that's a 1/2 sq mile of wasteland adjacent to the TIF. Only way they or any high end retailer comes here is if the get a sweetheart deal. For once, I agree with Andy, govnmt should stay out, if the corner was so great and such a draw, private investors would've flipped it years ago. Plus, like Andy pointed out, the TIF freezes property taxes so it's going to be a long time before we see any proceeds except there'll supposedly by a sale tax boom. Watch how much is rebated from the village portion. Of course developers are interested, there's no risk because we are picking up the tab. There'll be great celebrations then things will go bad and the fingerpointing will start.
OakLawnGuy
7:01 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
The point is to get businesses on the land. It's established that taxes won't be collected for a long time, but better that it be a settled retail area by the time the TIF expires. And as mentioned below, Trader Joe's really isn't a high-priced outfit. I am just dubious whether the shopping habits of OL would support it, it's a different, more specialized kind of place. . I could be wrong about that, but I can say it's not a very expensive place to shop.
Don't drink the koolaid
6:16 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
The corner needs improvement for sure. Kmart or Targey should be the anchor store. The fact is most people here can afford to shop at those stores regularly, but trader joes will prove to be too expensive for most of us. Running out a successful business like flapjacks ain't too smart either.
S. DuBois
6:41 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Compare a Trader Joe's register receipt against Jewel Osco or Target; you will be surprised, as I was. I travel to Trader Joe's and Meijer to grocery shop now, and save on average 15% after factoring in mileage, and the quality is incomparable. As for Kmart, it like it's namesake Kresge dime stores, is a dinosaur on it's way to natural extinction.
wren
8:54 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
true on both counts!! trader joe's has both very reasonable prices and great quality items. i wouldn't go out of my way to go there otherwise!
Dave W.
8:22 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
I have to ask...WHAT do you people BUY at Trader Joe's and Whole Foods?! Because of familial eating needs, we shop them both regularly...also shopping at Aldi and Jewel and Ultra and Food for Less and Freshline and basically whoever has the best price on what we need that isn't the 'specialty' item...It EASILY costs double for smaller portions at both. NOW, the QUALITY IS fantastic...but the cost, even WITHOUT driving to bufu and back (with $4.50 gas) is vastly higher. The grape juice IS better...but it is $6 a bottle! One example of MANY.
The demographics just are not there for those stores. If they were, they would ALREADY be here. Do you think they don't know Oak Lawn (55,000+ residents) is here? Know why there is an Aldi on 83rd and Cicero, AND by the Hickmart on 71st and Cicero AND at 114th and Cicero AND in Chicago Ridge Mall? Because Aldi, which OWNS Trader Joe's is raking in cash with THAT price point. You really think he is going to UNDERCUT a Trader Joe's by having his OWN store three blocks away? Whole Foods is STRUGGLING in Willowbrook and HINSDALE! They can't make a profit with millionaires, but OAK LAWN is going to support them? Fantasy land, people have great ideas of what to do with the parks and wildlife, really, I like those ideas, even the nicer theater MIGHT have a shot (doubt it, but...). As mentioned, if it was SUCH a great place to build, they would have done it years ago. K-mart was never offeres a buy out, because NOBODY wants it. Yeesh.
Jose Madrigal
8:31 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
I hope everyone is forwarding their comments to their district trustee.
Sheldon Cooper
9:35 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Oooooh, S. DuBois!!!! We meet the distance criteria for Trader Joe's!!!!? Woohoo!!!
Trader's isn't ridiculously expensive!! And when it comes to certain items, it's far cheaper than plenty of other places!!!
I buy Bob's Red Mills flaxseed at Trader's. It costs less than $3. I can't get it around here for less than $4+.
They have wonderful cheeses and the prices are in line with or better than what you can find around here.
I love their Roquefort cheese. It's not even that easy to find around here. Jewel has started carrying it recently -- at $5 more a pound than at Trader's.
And what about '2 Buck Chuck'!!!? They've been famous for that for years and STILL offer it!!! Written up and judged by numerous sources as being the best deal you can get for a decent bottle of wine!!!!
Here!!!! Check out a lot to Trader's prices for yourself!!!!
http://www.traderjoes.com/fearless-flyer/
Yes!! By all means, contact the necessary officials who would have some say in what goes in here!!
And let Trader's know, too, LOL!!!!!
It's not like the subject comes up EVERY time I talk to someone, but I must say that I rarely run into anyone around here who DOESN'T go to Trader Joe's!!
S. DuBois
1:10 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Wow Sheldon, you may need to re-read my post. I said that Trader Joes was NOT expensive, as commenter "Don't drink the Kool Aid" had indicated it was; I also said I travel to shop Trader Joe's, and save 15% or better AFTER ADDING IN MILEAGE COSTS TO GET THERE. I AM A TJ FAN; I SHOP THERE ALL THE TIME. ME LIKEY TJ'S. Maybe we should consider adding an outlet for eyeglasses to the new shopping complex; you're not reading very well! And yes, wooohoo,being ouside the 10 mile point is in the FAVOR of Oak Lawn being considered.
Dave W.
8:31 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Um, '2 buck Chuck' is now $2.99 (or three) buck Chuck...their meat is good, but crazy expensive, unless on super sale...
You must NEVER buy anything on sale at the other stores in town or in the area. I can drive ten minutes or less to get to ten good stores with plenty of variety. Twenty five minutes to Willowbrook, 30-35 to Hinsdale, same for Orland or Lagrange. Are you all biking out there, because gas is expensive. If you like the place, great, nothing wrong with that. There are NOT enough people that can afford these stores, I'm sorry. Same for a 'Lettuce Entertain You' restaurant. Gibson's Steak House?! Where are these Oak Lawn people hiding? Longhonr is on the edge of Evergreen Park and it is there for a reason...we can't even get someplace to fill 95th and Cicero, and THAT is a FAR better location, traffic flow wise...
Day Dream Believer
6:45 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
TRADER JOES OR WHOLE FOODS!
Barbara Schaeffer
8:58 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Trader Joes
Sheldon Cooper
2:12 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
No, no, S. DuBois!!! You misunderstand!!!!
The 'Woohoo' was in response to what you posted about Oak Lawn meeting the 10 mile criteria!!!!
The next comment I made, as to its not being ridiculously expensive was in response to all those who were saying that it was too expensive to suit this area!!!
I didn't write my whole post directed at or for you. I'm joining in the general 'conversation' taking place and addressing remarks made by a number of people posting here!!!
I assure you that I'm reading all the posts very carefully!!! I'm very interested in the turn the posts have taken and am looking forward to reading everyone's point of view!!!!
I don't mind you calling me out if you think I am mistaken!! And I can see why you made that assumption, too!!!
But I think the 'eyeglasses' remark was a bit unkind and unnecessary. you made yourself quite clear without adding that!
Sheldon Cooper
2:40 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
For what it's worth, Trader Joe's website has a 'Location Requests' link that takes you to a short form that is specifically for letting them know where you'd like to see the next store open!!!!
They warn you that it might take some time for them to get back to you, but they do send you an acknowledgement Email right away, which reads as follows:
Aloha and thank you for your interest in our stores. Emails have been flooding in with suggestions for new store locations in neighborhoods all over the U.S. We love that!
Rest assured, every email is read and your recommendation will be passed along to our real estate folks.
The best place to find new info concerning which neighborhoods we’ll be in next is the Trader Joe’s Locations page at http://www.traderjoes.com/static/find_a_tjs.asp
We hope to see you soon!
Mahalo (thanks)
J
10:33 pm on Friday, March 9, 2012
I work in Berwyn and it used to be a pretty nice neighborhood. It's a ghetto now. I have recently watched an influx of people from that area coming to Oak Lawn to spend their free time. Why? Well, it seems we have places that are drawing them to visit. Let's not support any new establishment to continue that trend. I think that a nice outdoor center with an organic grocery co-op , cafe', nice dinner spot, and maybe a Charming Charlies that all work in with a nature area would be great.
OakLawnGuy
8:12 am on Saturday, March 10, 2012
Charming Charlie's?? Have you been there? It makes Chuck E Cheese look like Spago. What "sort" of people are the businesses attracting? Perhaps the "wrong" race, or ethnic persuasion?
Dave W.
8:35 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Yes, OLG, as usual, it is always the 'outside people' causing problems. NOBODY from Oak Lawn has EVER even jaywalked.
The only ethnicity that is ever a problem is the white flight people. If they don't fly, nobody else, the ones they 'worry' about won't be able to move in, whether they are the problem or not. Because nobody would EVER shoplift at Trader Joe's, they are magically immune.
OLMom
9:45 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
Sweet Tomatoes! We were supposed to get one near 95th & Pulaski 4+yrs ago, what happened? How about a Sonic?! I, too would love Trader Joe's, but I doubt that will happen. Maybe Meijer, but that might be better in Alsip along Cicero, close, but not too close. How about JCPenney. Ulta. Max 'n Erma's. Chick fil A. Red Robin. NO buy gold, loan stores, cell phone stores, fitness, nail salons (so many around). A book store sounds good, so does the indoor pool or other recreation (indoor mini golf), hmmm...Game Works! PLEASE do something soon with this and ALL the unused (eye sore) spots in OL!
carla kaplan
12:51 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I say we need another Walgreen's!!! Even though the other one is so close.
I checked the 'Locator' on their website and there's only 16 of them within 5 miles from me!!!
What about a really good liquor store, more along the lines of Kenwood? It would be interesting to see what would happen if they had some serious competition.
R
12:45 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
I think an IKEA would be great for this corner! It would save us from going to Bolingbrook and I really think it could generate a lot of revenue for Oak Lawn. Everytime we go to that store, it's always crowded. The space is definitely big enough for this store, and it would bring something unique to Oak Lawn.
Dave W.
8:50 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
PEOPLE! There is a REASON why all the places you named from Orland, or Oak Brook, or Hinsdale, or Lagrange are not already here, even WITH this being a TIF. NOBODY wants to build something they know won't do enough business. They KNOW we are here. They KNOW we have locations available. They ALSO know we don't have the INCOME they want to locate here. We are paying the price for how business was done for decades under the old board and mayor. What happened to Outback? Pizza Hut? 'Big names' that were promised to 95th and Cook? At&T opened a phone store?! Well, THAT put us on the map; no. Companies don't come here if they can't make money; they DO come here if they can, regardless of the TIFs. Andy is right that the town should get out of private real estate, since clearly it isn't a forte of the people running the show.
We are surrounded by Aldis for a reason; they make money for Aldi. Dominicks tried upscale, remember? The fresh pizza bar, hot foods, bistro feel to it? How did that do, even when the prices were LOWER? So, a place with HIGHER prices will somehow magically do BETTER? There aren't enough food snobs in the area, let alone Oak Lawn to fill these places.
Go ahead and be mad at me. I am BAFFLED by what I presume to be otherwise rational adults acting like they have never heard of capitalism or the free market. It isn't my fault we don't all make another $20ooo a year. I know I'd be happy too, but might as well wish for Santa to bring it while you are at it.
Sheldon Cooper
10:08 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
You sound more than BAFFLED, Dave -- you sound almost apoplectic and more than a little angry yourself. We all have a right to have our own opinions as to what should go here. Referring to the people who hold differing opinions than you do as 'otherwise rational adults' is an unwarranted and pejorative label.
You may be right -- and you may be wrong.
I think your thinking is skewed when it comes to reasoning why it's not doable to have one or another of some of the aforementioned businesses come to Oak Lawn.
Trader Joe's wasn't in Orland Park -- until it was.
Just because something isn't already here isn't proof positive that this is an unsuitable location for it.
The last time I was at the Orland Park Trader Joe's, they asked for my zip-code.
I think the most likely reason for that is that they are interested in seeing just where their customers come from.
And that the most likely reason for them to care about THAT is because they're considering what their best options are as concerns locations.
If you're comparing Dominick's with Whole Foods and/or Trader Joe's, that's a little bit 'Apples and Oranges.'
Comparing them in that fashion is akin to comparing White Castle to Burger King. When you want a White Castle hamburger, a Burger King or a McDonald's is NOT an acceptable substitute.
A Trader Joe's or a Whole Foods doesn't have all that much in common with the grocery stores/supermarkets that are already established in this area.
Dave W.
10:33 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Of course I MIGHT be wrong...except that so far, I have proof, not wishes.
You are correct, they DO ask that, at EVERY Trader Joe's. It IS for market research. Guess what, they have done it for years. Guess what else...they don't have one in Oak Lawn. I SHOP THERE TOO! It WOULD be more convenient for ME, ALSO. They don't care! They aren't going to build for fifty people who SAY they would shop there ALL the time. So thank you for making my point on that.
As for White Castle and Burger King, trust me, they are all considered the same industry. They all make it because they are slightly different, but it is more apples to pears with them.
As for Dominicks versus Trader Joe's...upscale and nice should resound the same with everybody. People just didn't buy the higher priced goods. It is simple and obvious. The market is dictating what stays or goes.
(I do have to say that because I watch Big Bang, whenever I read your posts, I hear Jim Parson's voice in my head.)
I just can't believe that the people that bother to come and write on here are comepletely blind or unknowing of how economics and free enterprise work. As long as we have unrealistic expectations or ideas for what to do with the empty spaces all over town, we will be disappoiinted with the results, paralyzed by the perceived failure, and stagnated into chasing our tail. Samsung built a company out of crap Tvs into the top of their industry. We don't have to be that bad to be that good, we just have to be smart.
Sheldon Cooper
12:41 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Who's 'Jim Parsons?'
Again, we each have a right to our own opinion. And deserve respect, no matter what that opinion is. You write as though almost everybody else has an opinion -- but YOU have the 'facts.'
If that's what you believe, then that's your opinion and you too, just as all of us, are entitled to hold that opinion.
I understand that using the phrase 'guess what' in the context which you do here and ending with 'thank you for making my point for me' are hostile remarks meant to insult and irritate, but there's really no need for that. We can be respectful of one another.
You see it your way; I see it mine. We see it very differently and it's clear that nothing that either of us are saying is proving the other person's point at all.
White Castle and Burger King are more than just slightly different from each other, even if both are part of the same industry.
You can buy a Kia or you can buy a Jaguar. they're both part of the auto industry. But if I'm in the market for one of those two vehicles, It's highly unlikely that I'm in the market for the other.
"I just can't believe that the people that bother to come and write on here are comepletely blind or unknowing of how economics and free enterprise work."
Again, that's your low opinion, which is fine. But it's expressed as though it is a bonafide fact and a very derogatory one, at that.
And I suspect that you think that being 'smart' means seeing it the same way you do.
Dave W.
1:50 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
"Who's 'Jim Parsons?'" Nice.
If most people are in the market for HAMBURGERS, they most likely consider Burger King AND White Castle, especially in Oak Lawn, since they are down the block from each other. Also, I've done market research for both McDonalds and Burger King; they BOTH consider White Castle direct competition. THIS is what I call 'FACTS', because they are MY opinion, but they are considered recognized, accepted knowledge by people in the industry of which you speak.
It IS my opinion that I feel completely biind of how economics work, but my opinion is based upon HOW ECONOMICS ACTUALLY WORK. I've worked in market research before, I'm now in real estate. I'm not just guessing at these things. Also, I had to pass economics to graduate high school twenty plus years ago. Supply and demand didn't change, I checked.
You DID make my point, which is why I thanked you. You basically reinforced it again, so thanks, again.
KIA and Jaguar ARE typically different buyers...but they are far different than two burger chains that also both serve fries and rings and chicken and fish.
FACTS are that none of those stores are here. That is NOT opinion, anyone can look and see that. They haven't even RUMORED to be coming here, ever. Also FACT. EVERYBODY can have an opinion on what should come here. I am merely stating that they AREN'T here for good solid reasons. I see it the logical way, you see what you want.
Am I being snarky? Probaby. Is it deserved? In my OPINION, yes.
Dave W.
2:02 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
I almost missed this..."And I suspect that you think that being 'smart' means seeing it the same way you do."
Um, no. In fact, in many instances, I would say quite the opposite.
However, the ability to read a book (cause I'm old) or the interweb is obviously available to everyone who posts. WISH for what anyone wants. I want an Outback. I'm not going to get one. Also not getting a Golden Corral, which would rock...I squeezed my eyes super tight and everything for that wish...nothing. It isn't just you, or other people...I WANT stuff too. I ALSO KNOW that it probably won't happen. THAT is rational. IRrational is thinking that if everybody (what, like maybe fifteen people) post here often enough, a major corporation will grant us what we want. I don't 'like' the facts either.
Did anyone notice how sway the town had in the 95th and Cook debacle? Still no reason why that street was closed off, creating a traffic clusterbomb EVERYDAY on 52nd. Just wanting things will not change a major company's mind. This isn't a movie (or Tv show). I would be played by a MUCH better looking person than me.
I get annoyed because unrealistic talk distracts from our focus. The politicians are already ignoring people's wants all over town. The ONLY thing that passed that anybody wanted was a shorter Halloween curfew? Wow, we are just like Ancient Greece, democracy in action...or it that 'inaction'?
I vote for us all paying attention to what comes next. It is our only hope.
J.S.
5:19 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Trader Joe's!!! Please no Wal-mart, as it will drive what little mom and pop stores we have out of business. TRADER JOES!!!
chris
6:06 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
Trader Joe's great choice....it will accommodate Mt Greenwood and Beverly as well...I shop at the one in lagrange too far !!!!
Maureen Hughes
11:27 am on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
IKEA! I agree Oak Lawn has more than enough CHEAP-O stores! Let's upgrade.
liljo
8:48 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
i agree trader joe's i need to be able to get things that i can't find at the usual stores, i love cooking so that would be fantastic and i don't anyone can be more expensive than jewels!
Amanda Bugal- Konstantopoulos
1:35 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Please please please trader joes!!!!! It will do very well, I guarantee it!!!
Sheldon Cooper
1:44 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Hear, hear!!!!! Trader Joe's!!!!
mitz regan
9:06 am on Saturday, September 8, 2012
OL Old Gal.. I like the idea of Trader Joe's.. and a really nice middle class, table cloth type restaurant. Tired of driving to Orland for restaurants. We have Target's and WalMarts in Crestwood and on 95th. Need some classy places to spruce up the neighborhood