Romney/Bain/El Salvador
Ryan Grim wrote a recent article in the Huffington Post which claimed that Mitt Romney was having trouble finding investors for his private equity firm, Bain Capital. He traveled to Miami in 1984 where he met with a group of Salvadorian investors who had ties to the Salvadorian right wing death squads.
In the early 80's El Salvador passed land reform legislation that
would break up some of the landholdings of the elite and distribute
the land to landless claimants. The oligarch's response was to finance
and,in some cases, lead death squads that over a decade killed 70.000
Salvadorians. Roberto D'Aubussian was among the most prominent in
their ranks. He later formed the right wing Arena party and was the
man who ordered the assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero.
On March 24.1980 Archbishop Romero was delivering mass and he made an
impassioned plea to the army to stop the opresssion. "You are killing
your own brothers and sisters" and ignoring the words of God "Thou
shalt not kill." Romero was silenced by a buller through the heart.
Former members of the Arena party were among those investors with ties
to the death squads that met with Romney in Miami (1984). Still today
they remain significant investors in Bain Capital.
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Genvieve LaChappele
6:57 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Wow. You must really be afraid he is going to win.
BUTCH
8:41 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
i am deeply afraid he is going to win there are plenty of village idiots who think this is the BOB DOLE or DIRK SEN type GOP they are pathological and sociopaths and did kill the Archbishop and a dozen MARYKNOLL nuns who were ambushed by the Arena DEATH squads which is never mentioned, yeah I am scared for my country and if u are not a VILLAGE IDIOT as in FLA so would u!
anthony
1:55 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Romney is a shoe in....If the election was held on Romulus...
russ harrison
7:33 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Actually Genvieve, Romney did work with Bain to secure start up capital, almost 40% in fact, from Central America. They rolled those investments several times. Romney himself introduced a right wing death squad financier as one of his best investors.
mom
8:39 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Progressive Socialists for America must be affraid. There are more questions and unanswered questions concerning BO. He is loved by the media and groups like the progressives. It is time for a real change in this country!! It is time for the truth to come out!! It is time to be set free! It is time for this country to get back to making money and being the Supreme Leaders we once were. Under Bo we are weak and laughed at! He has got to go. I can admit I am scared and I pray Bo has served his last term. Bo and Rahm can get together and play with Chicago when it is all over.
MOKENA VOTER
8:45 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
"Back To Making Money". I'm all for going back to the Clinton years!!!!!!! Best economic times of our generation. What happened after Clinton?
Arthur Huff
12:26 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
@MOKENA VOTER: the dot-com bubble burst
Roger Norkus
9:52 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Clinton became a multymillionaire along with most politicians..Lets talk about Washinton DC. Did you know the umemployment rate is only 5%. Why? How about the Dept. of Energy started 35 years ago and now employs 16,000 Federal workers plus 100,000 Contract workers with a budget of 24.5 Billion dollars..What could all these people be doing? Campaigning to keep our Congressmen in office and their jobs? What a waste!!!!
mom
1:40 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
The Clinton Years were a success becasue of Reganomics!!!! I would vote for a real good Democrat, but BO has to go!! This Countries best interests are not first on his plate! The only jobs I see coming are more Government and Local government jobs. Watch out for their pensions and their retirements , you and I the tax payer will be paying for it!
MOKENA VOTER
2:35 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Did you enjoy those (7) middle class tax increases during the great Reaganomics and the start deficit spending?
mom
8:27 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Had to raise taxes to catch up from the Carter Ass. Democrats like to keep the poor down and they will always stay down as long as they keep getting the hand outs, food, housing, free child care and free cell phones. Why bother working when the middle class and the upper class pay for it. The rich do pay their fair share and they also take all the risks in business. I am not rich but we do own a business and pay 33% taxes. I wish I could claim all the dependents I have out there that I don't even know. How sad!!
Phillip R Baggs
9:36 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Start of deficit spending? The last time we had a decrease in the national debt was under Eisenhower. Reagan also happened to win World War III without firing a shot.
Stuart Kurtz
7:00 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Phillip, the last time we had a decrease in the national debt was in the years 1998-2001, i.e., the last four Clinton budget years. There were also surplus years in 1969 (Nixon), 1956-7, 60 (Eisenhower), and 1951 (Truman). The Clinton-era surpluses disappeared because of pressures on both the income and expense side of the federal budget, i.e., the Bush tax cuts, unfunded expansion of entitlements (cf., Medicare Part D), and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The jump in the debt in recent years has been a consequence of the credit-housing crisis that began in 2007, and this is clearly visible in the last two Bush budget years, with the deficit increasing from $162B in 2007 to $1416B in 2009. Deficits in more recent years (the Obama budgets) have been a bit lower than the last Bush year. But the driver here has largely been the decrease in federal income.
ron kurowski
9:56 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Stuart, well researched and well put.
Arthur Huff
11:16 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
Stuart, surely you aren't trying to blame the housing crisis solely on George W. Bush??
Billable Hours
12:30 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
Maybe, maybe not, but don't call him Shirley!
Stuart Kurtz
5:02 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
Arthur, I ascribed no blame in mentioning the credit-housing crisis.
David Vancina
12:18 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012
"...the credit-housing crisis that began in 2007..."
Hmmm... 2007... the year the Democrats took control of Congress. Coincidence, I suppose.
Sue Bertram
10:42 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012
How refreshing to hear from someone who actually knows what they are talking about and doesn't get their "facts" from FOX, Rush or the latest "send this to all your friends" email. An historical perspective...
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what
never was and never will be.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Charles Yancey, 1816
Dean Casper
11:07 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Interesting how liberals always use quotation marks when referring to successful conservative media. "Facts" such as the largest number of Americans on public aid...ever, both in shear numbers and percentage. Fact that the vaunted Obamacare will force millions more onto to the Medicaid rolls starting in 2014. Home loans and business capital at all time lows. Payroll taxes collected are at same level as it was in 1981, I.e., people are making far less than before recession. How about the fact the Obama Administration have exploded the disability rolls to artificially keep unemployment low. How about the fact the Springfield Democrats kill public pension reform, are proposing pushing the costs of said pensions on homeowners, then takes $250,000 from the unions 2 hours after the bill is killed. Corrupt
Russ
4:09 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
@ dean casper "facts" from FOX should always be put In quotes cause Fox "facts" usually equals lies and distortions of the truth .You don't have to be a liberal or progressive to realize that, just keep your eyes and ears open and you will realize how Fox is a great distorter.
BUTCH
8:33 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Mom sounds like the mom at the village idiot rally that came with the budget wonk her son, i SEEN first hand how the T-PARTY GOP fills the stands with their unindicted criminal enterprise who are doing in 2012 what CRIST did in 2000 purging the voters of FLA who are DEM'S they put the SR VOTERS BEHIND THE CAMERA so it seems like everyone there is demanding they save their SSA medicare they will and then they will cut benefits for the under 55 and BAIN WILL COME IN AND TAKE OVER THE SAFETY NET after ADELSON and THE KOCH GET THEIR TAXES CUT TO ZERO and the RR TWINS TO 1% which they will donate to the LDS CHURCH, it's easy to figure out the sociopaths follow the money
BUTCH
11:52 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
i believe Bush's ownership of the Murkan dream where every citizen had the right to own their own home was 75% responsible and the deregulation of the Banks by the original budget genius of the T-Party- Phil GRAMM and his wife Wendy who was the Treasury official who had him ABOLISH GLASS SIEGLE they are also 75% part of the problem the faulty math goes along with every of the criminal enterprise figures especially those from TEX-ASS like DUBYA the GRAMMS and a slew of YPARTY LOOTERS in CONGRESS.
Juvenal
10:38 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
Although Clinton as chief executive did a good job (especially for a Democrat)on the budget front, the vast majority of the credit for deficit reduction on his watch is due to the peace dividend he inherited (after the Fall of the Berlin Wall and before 9/11) and the huge boom in wealth (and tax revenue) created by the growth of the internet and the dot-com boom. Both of these things were not his doing, and deficits would have probably gone down if Bozo the Clown was in the White House during that time.
Chronicles of Bob
11:00 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
So then you would agree an administrations failures and successes will over lap from one administartion to another?
Dean Casper
11:18 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
Let me get this left wing insanity straight. You are attempting to say that Mitt Romney, one of the wealthiest men on Earth, with access to several other wealthy people, chose to conspire with right wing death squads from El Salvador, one of the poorest nations on the planet. Oookkkay.
Americans have seen their National Debt, accumulated over 230 years nearly double in the last 4 years, overall employment is overall 8%, unemployment for minorities, young adults, and women well into double digits. Small businesses are shuttered everyday, foreclosures are rising, business cannot access capital to hire and grow, healthcare costs are on the brink of explosion, and this is what the "South Suburban Move On Council" thinks is important?
Pathetic
BUTCH
10:59 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012
The richest people in MURKA are not all in bed with death squads but ROMNEY, POPPY41 the GIPPER WERE-up until now we have not had many GOP TAX DODGERS that have SWISS BANK acc and Cayman iS CORP HQ (who the twitt says are people) to avoid FED TAXES,
If the purges are successful Dean, Twitt and T-PARTY will need to mobilize their CAYMAN ISLAND people-military for Sheldon's war, he is the 2012 boss of the NEO TPARTY like the BUSH FAMILY except he has no Bid Laden connection being from MACAU .just the RED ARMY
Had the Mormon majority ldr not allowed the GOP T-Party to filibuster everything the PELOSI House passed in 09 the OBSTRUCTION that would have destroyed most PRESIDENTS would not have been possible,
and DEAN it is heart warming that the GOP thinks unemployment - health care and women are getting the best OB-GYN care for their unwanted forced rapes are a major issue.
Mitt is bored by small biz no pensions and assets to seize and destroy,
The OB administration has given small business more breaks than the 41-43 GOP ADMINISTRATIONS COMBINED they are closing because the T PARTY- GOP leaders and wannabe NEWT met and conspired as delegates representing the boys from BRAZIL the NEO'S -the GOP 12,000 people aka CORPORA from the CAYMANS and the Vice Lord of MACAU to insure PRES OB would not have a second term, it is not pathetic it is TREASON.
Dean Casper
11:16 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Let me ask you this Butch. Do you think the Sept 11th attacks were an inside job? BTW, did you know Harry Reid is also a Mormon?
Sue Bertram
11:19 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Gee Dean, maybe Liberals have a better command of grammar and punctuation.
BUTCH
12:04 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Dean the Mormon majority leader who obviously gets his Intel on TWIT'S FED taxes from some LDS insider even a born again TEA-EVANGELIC knows this
The only one's who know if 911 was a inside job were the Flying school instructors in FLA where they TRAIN PIPER CUB pilots to fly 737 and of course the people of HELLIBURTON
Stuart Kurtz
12:27 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Dean, your argument that Romney, being rich, would have had no need of money tainted by its association with Niceraguan death squads fails in that Mitt wasn't rich then. His wealth is due to subsequent compensation from and investments in Bain. The facts of this story aren't in much doubt, the issue is around interpretation. Did Romney know that 40% of the money he solicited to fund Bain Capital was tainted by association with Death Squads? I'm aware of no evidence that he did. Should he have known? That's a trickier question, and I don't know what the law required. The burden of proof is on those who claim that he should have, and AFAIK, that hasn't been met.
Even though this attack doesn't work, I'm not supporting Romney. He's promised to cut taxes on the rich, while specifically not cutting the defense budget, and not cutting Medicare outlays. We saw exactly this before with Bush, whose financial indicipline was notorious. Until he's willing to be specific about what he'd cut, he's offering nothing.
As regards the budget under Obama, the biggest deficit year was Bush's last year, 2009, and the issue is on the income side, not the spending side (which has been going up much more slowly under Obama than under Bush). Things are getting better, and I'll stick with the guy whose been fixing things, rather than the guy who promises to break them again.
Dean Casper
1:01 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Again, no 2009 was Obama's year. The The Stimulus was passed in Spring 2009 by Obama and the $780 Billion in debt via T Bills purchase by the Chinese government is accounted to FY09.
Liberals may have passed English class, but failed Economics and History
Stuart Kurtz
3:39 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Dean, the 2009 budget was passed in 2008, under Bush. Keep in mind that the US federal fiscal year starts October 1st. As for the stimulus, it was staged over three years: $185B in 2009, $399B in 2010, and $134B in 2011. Before you insult people, you might want to check your facts.
Dean Casper
3:51 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Stuart, the FY09 budget was amended by the American Recovery and Restoration Act (ARRA) aka "Stimulus Bill" in February 2009. ARRA authorized the Treasury Department to float nearly $800 billion in Treasury bills aka TBills, 89% of which were purchased by the Chinese government. The entire ARRA debt was assigned to FY09 since that was the budget that was amended.
Stuart Kurtz
4:02 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Dean. Source, please. I'm citing the Wiki figures on ARRA contributions to the deficit.
Stuart Kurtz
12:46 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Dean, let's take a look at real federal budget numbers from taxpolicycenter.org. I'm working in nominal rather than constant dollars, for simplicity. If we look at the seven budget years from 2001 through 2008 (i.e., not considering the difficult 2009 budget), federal spending grew at an annualized rate of 6.95%/year. If we apply this growth rate to 2008 expenditures, we get a nominal budget of $3,189.9B for 2009 expenditures, vs. the actual expenditures of $3,517.7B, a difference of $327.8B.
The difference is presumably several factors. The Bush-Paulsen Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) authorized the Treasury to borrow up to $700B. In mid-October 2008, Paulsen used $245B of this authorization to recapitalize the banking sector through the purchase of preferred stock. This accounts for all but $82.8B of the 2009 expenditures. This is broadly consistent with the $185B wiki claims that ARRA added to the deficit in 2009, keeping in mind that tax cuts constituted more than a third of ARRA, and that they were somewhat front-end loaded.
Your claim that ARRA involved an $800B Treasury float fully booked in 2009 cannot be reconciled with the actual history of federal expenditures.
BUTCH
1:30 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
09 was that the year LUNTZ and the TREASONOUS GOP TPARTY met to obstruct?
Any T party or GOP knowledge of history is revisionist, lyin Ryan and their economics are a Pyramid and as accurate as AKINS the Science OB-GYN whiz who is an expert on anatomy of T PARTY women.which is not human never mind MURKAN.
BUTCH
4:18 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Dean is a BUDGET WONK like lyin Ryan the fact is ARRA was done upon the advice of the GOP holdovers in TREASURY and the FED had the LUNTZ-McCONNELL TREASON had not been the official policy of the T-GOP and the WH or the ballet dancer Chf staff had replaced them with AMERICANS not wall street gangsters or like Kennedy did with Bob Mc McNamara you would be reduced to writing about NUKE waste A FEW MILES WEST OF HERE, or the HEALTH CARE exchanges and anything but the invasion of IRAN that the R-R boys will do to repay the MACAU vice lord for his 100 million sheckle gift to the campaign.this is all part of the DIS INFO to energize the base of the T PARTY who think they are the 1%
Sue Bertram
5:38 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Dean, With just a little bit of research I can see that you are getting some of your "facts" from college newspapers, wacko blogs and the Fox Factor. You really should use quotation marks when you are quoting others words. Maybe a little website like www.factcheck.org could help from looking like a Rush wannbe.
Dean Casper
7:55 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
A website named "factcheck.org" does not automatically make said site the arbiter of facts. As far as "wacko blogs", from way out there on the limb of the far left, everyone looks like they are way right.
Socialistic, big government, high taxes on the successful, the upper middle class will always fail. History and economics teach us this. No society was ever prosperous with debt at 100% of GDP, and 1/3 of its citizens on government dependence.
BUTCH
12:26 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012
No government will ever be successful if the NUKE INDUSTRY - OIL-RED ARMY-ALEC and KOCH BROS lobbyists and the Cantor bagman GROVER NORQUIST are writing all the laws and holding politicians who wish to govern accountable by running a INTELLECTUAL like AKINS against them in a T PARTY primary their crime was daring to even agree with the DEMS and administration on taxes and spending cuts you sir are either a PLUTOCRAT or wannabe human from the CAYMAN ISLANDS where all 12,000 other humanoids reside in their mail box tax shelters
Sara Waters
10:27 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Can one person name one freedom that they had before Obama took office that no longer has due to his Presidency?
BUTCH
12:15 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Under DUBYA women who were impregnated by a rapist did not have the freedom to rid their womb of the unwanted fetus now they are using a magic remedy unknown until the OBAMA HEALTH CARE was made constitutional
Sara Waters
8:39 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Butch - I am not against Obama. I am trying to prove a point, the GOP main argument is their freedoms are being taken away. I want to know a single one. They complain about ObamaCare/RomneyCare, fine. Did you have to change doctors? No. Were you getting treatment that you are no longer allowed? No. Are your weapons stripped from you? No. They have no argument.
Stuart Kurtz
10:53 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Dean, you're still dodging on your source for the claim that the entire cost of the ARRA was booked in 2009. I feel obligated to press, because it is an extraordinary claim, in as much as most of the expense (and reduction of income) was incurred in later years.
BUTCH
12:05 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012
All of your nonsense is the same ole Heritage and or Hudson and AIPAC talking points if the Mormon missionary gives us a copy of the past 5 years in FED taxes in the USA he will stop the Q& A and then the birthers and other wingnuts will see what a 1% IS AND WHAT STUPID FOOLS THEY ARE but then again ??
history also shows us what happens when the wannabe's only eat cake.!
Dianna
8:19 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012
I would like to thank Dean for saying what I am thinking. I'm not an economist so I can't speak to our budget. What I am is a concerned citizen who listens to our President's snappy rhetoric. He was so willing to shake his finger in our faces and tell us he was going to make us better. Does anyone believe he kept that promise?
It strikes me as ironic that a month or two ago in his campaign he spent more than he took in. Looks like that is his pattern. Spend more and consequences be damned.
How about the derision I hear when the Tea Party is mentioned. I have yet to read of any illegal behavior when they gather. Tea Party members don't throw bricks, break windows, illegally occupy parks and/or leave the area a shambles. In fact just the opposite is true. They leave an area cleaner than they found it.
The occupiers are rock stars? You would encourage your children to hang out with them? Behave like them?
I've heard our President make comment after comment about the dog on the hood of the car. Funny jokes, no big deal. However it becomes a big deal when you listen to the faux outrage over Mitt Romney joking about his birthright. So silly.
I can't speak to all the data that gets spewed here. But you should know that it's important for me to listen to all sides. So I read both the Times and the Trib. I watch CNN, FOX and MSNBC. I keep hearing that they are "liars" but the only thing I notice is "sins of omission".
BUTCH
12:06 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Dianna absolutely right he did not rid his admin. of wall street gangsters and allowed the JEKYLL island creatures to continue their writing and or regulating the BANKING laws. he also did not privatize SSA and if the treasonous T PARTY-and alien think tanks that own Congress not allowed ALEC and the poison and pollution lobby to write what passed for laws and worked for the 100% The Twitt could have been as rich as the KOCH BROS and the MACU VICE LORD financing the wingnuts and TWIT we would not have known he pays less taxes than his dog on the roof or his vulture capitalism is very un American no matter how many stupid gaffes he makes which more often than not is deliberate political advertising.
Obama has raised the question on the REAL WELFARE QUEENS the TRILLIONS GIVEN TO BIG OIL and the runaway Corporations in RED CHINA what has lyin RYAN and the TWIT said," give them more subsidies" OB will spend 1 billion in this campaign it is the same as R-R BUT THEIR SURROGATES WILL ALSO spend 1 BILLION a lot of it to insure the JR-KIRK OBAMA and JOE WALSH Federal SOCIALIST health care will not be available to you or me or anyone on this blog!
Sue Bertram
11:46 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Diana, If you really want to hear both sides, and at the same time tune in to WTTW (PBS) at 6pm for the News Hour. You get, not 3 min like the networks, but 10-15 min each night on something current. Lately mostly politics. Right now there is a series about Medicare... RyanCare v Obamacare, it you will. You get to see a topic discussed between BOTH SIDES at the same time. Rightwing thinkers paint Public TV as liberal and leftist, but that is because they have never watched it. Why do you thing PBS moderates the debates? Do this for a while and you start to get a look at the big picture. I throw in some Jon Stewart & the Daily Show for some comic relief. As for Obama's promises. He just isn't God who can make things happen. There has got to be cooperation in Congress and it is hamstrung with inflexibility. Wouldn't it be nice to know what could have been with a little cooperation and not a rabid and frankly some racist Republican stonewalling. Economics are a mess but it's not just us - the whole world is suffering and that is hard to blame on Obama.
It has been "Anybody but Obama" for the past 4 years and to hell with what the country really needs. The Republicans and TP'ers are willing to grind everyone into the dirt -except the top 2% - to make this happen. (Dean, please note the quote - not my original thought).
Sara Waters
12:14 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Sue - I honestly believe if there was a cure for the common cold, or cancer and Obama wanted to distribute it to the masses, Boehner would throw his usual hissy fit to block it. Just because it's what they've been doing. Congress is the problem. Everything that has not been done has been because Boehner has acted like a selfish child.
Dianna
12:22 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Thank you Sue for reminding me of The News Hour. At one time I listened to it regularly. For some reason I've not watched lately. I will begin to correct that tomorrow. <g>.
When President Obama was elected he had full control of the house and senate. I hoped for good things, but they didn't happen.
I don't agree that any party is willing to grind everyone into the dirt.
Why must we always use talking points, like top 2% or "I did build that." ? Let's all thing for ourselves and not say anything online that we wouldn't say if we were standing across from each other in the back of church !
BUTCH
12:42 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Sara i was attempting to point out the same thing as you and did a bad job the thing about the MEDIA they are doing what they do best that's why Glenn BECK and toe suckers on FOX do not report the recklessness of the banksters and the monetary policy that has left abandoned houses no one has a clue who own the properties and 0% interest rates the MACAU vice lord will end up with all the titles and become a member of the WORST CARTEL on the planet the FED, the most underrated unindicted gangster on the Planet the devious PHIL GRAMM and his Treasury official wife that opened the door for the crash bubbles and printing of TRILLIONS of paper money to bail out criminals and government bonds which cost us more Trillions in lost jobs-pensions etc for BAIN ASSOC to fleece none of the current pol's and noone on this blog except DEAN maybe understand since he is a surrogate of sorts more than a budget wonk,
Dianna as far as the occupy movement as dirty and seemingly unkempt they appear I would be proud if any of my children would risk what they do to bring attention to the JEKYLL island creatures and loss of FREEDOM we have given the PLUTOCRATS and OLIGARCH surrogates what passes for honest politicians or leaders religious included since 911 you notice that was the only question the budget wonk on this blog asked me?
Dianna
12:27 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Wow Butch. You may have some salient points to make, but I get lost in all the vitriol so I can't find them.
BUTCH
2:49 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
VICKY SORRY but the trees are also being victimized by the "people are Corporations" who do not receive enough subsidies according Lyin and Twit the last two tree epidemics were because of Chinese elm and ash eating bugs that arrived in the made in China wooden boxes it was bad enough when it was our toothpaste and dog food and kids toys now the ECOSYSTEM
I lost three ASH trees myself, I would rather have lunch with fatty Arbuckle Rush without the OXY desert.
I'm shocked also SARA did not know there were so many haters in our gated community.
Sara Waters
12:37 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Dianna - that's what the internet is for. Especially this place. The bigots-racists-haters in general get to hide behind a made up moniker to spew garbage from their fingers. Yet, if you knew it was the person who lived next door to you, you'd think very differently of them. I never knew my town had so many racist-bigots in it until the Patch came to light.
vicky
1:57 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Isn't that a little old & so overused. Go hug a tree & buy Sandra Fluke lunch,
you'll think you really did something good. Enough with the race crap.
There are incompetent Caucasian & African American politicians.
I don't see color, just incompetence & arrogance.
vicky
3:16 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Butch, you libs love to ramble on & on about nothing.
By the way, I'd love to have lunch with Rush, Sandra Fluke could just keep
on being used as a pawn by the Obama campaign.
Sara Waters
3:21 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Vicky - have you read some of the posts that have been on this site. There have been many that spew hatred regarding race and bigotry. If you can't see that, then I can't help you. I will go hug a tree and proudly. Do you know what impact the trees have on the planet? I guess not, since you think hugging one is a bad thing. What the hell does Sandra Fluke have to do with Race and Bigotry? I said nothing of her. I often secretly pay for people's lunch in restaurants all the time. I suggest you do it. It's a good feeling to make someone's day.
vicky
3:36 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Sara,
I don't need your help nor do I want it.
Go out there & save the world.
Once again, what I see in Obama is complete opposite of where I want my country to be heading & I didn't say Sandra Fluke had anything to do with race & bigotry.
You missed my point, so forget it. I hope you find your perfect world out there......
Sara Waters
4:55 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Vicky - I don't believe in a perfect world. It's crazy if you do. But I do believe that hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes are Science, not divine intervention due to gay people & legal abortion.
I guess with Romney/Ryan you want the country to be that the middle class will now live at poverty since they will be taxed so much more while the top 2% take a $160k tax break?
I have the same freedoms I had before Obama was President as I do since he's been in office. In fact, my medical is better, since my Insurance cannot drop me if I get a terminal disease and is forced to cover any pre-existing conditions. Yep, those are horrible things. Horrible.
BUTCH
4:58 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Vicky I am not happy with a WANNABE Pres of MURKA paying homage to the ZIONIST leader because of the debt he owes to A ZIONIST Vice Lord and they are all pretending along with AIPAC t he will attack the KHARG OIL platforms of the Cheney family -Helliburton and we are paying $4 a gal now for gas it is never enough, yep I don't think we should go in that direction nor do I like the energy policy of TWIT who will insure there are no trees everything will look like SALT LAKE or the Sea of GALILEE, YEP i RAMBLE ABOUT CORPORATE CRIME and things like that which u think is nothing so do the R-R unindicted criminals I also wonder how A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR robber who pleaded guilty to MEDICARE FRAUD can be elected to HIGH office and host a NAT'L political convention which is happening in FLORIDA. I DON'T LIKE THAT DIRECTION but it must be easier for the FED'S to keep an eye on so many criminals meeting in the same place.
Dianna
8:04 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
This discussion has deteriorated into something best left to children, it's a kind of "your mama wears army boots" sort of debate that will never go anywhere. I'm sorry for that, because this could be a good avenue for adult discussion.
vicky
8:52 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
You can't debate with people who say you're a racist or bigot just because
you don't share their political views. They always resort to that. Look at some of their
comments. I hope Obama's new health care law allows them to seek a qualified
mental health professional.
Chronicles of Bob
8:45 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Probably because butch sounds like ivent.... if it looks like a duck and it sounds like a duck...
vicky
9:10 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
They are two very odd ducks!!
CRAZY!!
Billable Hours
9:47 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Oh quack!
BUTCH
10:24 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
has Butch said something to offend the OSTRICHES again? better a DUCK than a Ostrich quack-quack how original.
BILLABLE HOURS SOUNDS LIKE A CORPORATE CRIME itself what is it VICKY WANTS TO DEBATE THE OXY KING boss of THE t party congress would be a starter.
vicky
5:39 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
You don't offend me at all. Your bizarre comments only reinforce once again
why I'm proud of what I stand for & so happy you're not on our side.
You're very Nancy Pelosi like.................
Sue Bertram
12:13 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
I think I am going to bow out of this one. My inbox is exploding. I do so appreciate the sane comments and the incredible grasp some have of the issues. Especially from those who put real names to their thoughts. If you say it, own it. My greatest fear is that our fate as a nation and our future as a democracy is being controlled by a man no one have ever voted for or elected. The Pledge and Grover Norquist, with his strangle hold on virtually every Republican in Congress, is what the real threat is. Combine that with billions of dollars from phantom contributors and an electorate that is educated by sound bites and The People haven't got a chance
BUTCH
8:46 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
Vicki i am on the side of the Angels your side has the blood of Maryknoll nuns, Archbishop Ronero and Cardinal Dolan who pays &20,000 per predator to shut them up ,if the Lord approves u may see Dolan at the end of the BCVL (BANKSTERS-CRIMINALS VICE LORDS) CONVENTION in Tampa, if my comments seem bizarre, I prefer to believe i speak facts and the truth it may seem BIZARRE if your head is in the sand on the most important issues we face today and there are millions of you as we know.I only wish there were more ducks whatever that means if it offends the people that allow the GROVERS, Macau VICE LORDS and ARENA Party murderers a seat at the WHITE HOUSE and all government.