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THE BLADE: Is Mayor Heilmann Ducking the Voters?

The on-again, off-again, on-again village board candidates' forum is off again.

Is Mayor Dave Heilmann ducking the voters by avoiding participating in a village board candidates’ forum?

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That’s how it appears to a group of citizens who are trying to organize a forum before the April 9 election for a time that is compatible with the mayor's busy schedule.

After the Oak Lawn Chamber backed out of sponsoring the village board candidates' forum some concerned Oak Lawn citizens picked up the chamber's fallen mantle.

John Crivellone and some fellow Masons chipped in $300 to pay a group to sponsor a rescheduled candidates forum for March 21.

Crivellone and friends secured the Johnson-Phelps VFW Post, which agreed to sponsor a forum to show the village board candidates that residents care about democracy.

The only thing they forget to do was check with the mayor to see if the time and date was convenient for him.

Crivellone said he texted the mayor on Saturday evening, presumably when Heilmann and his wife were hosting the Pat and Joe Party at St. Linus, which was casually mentioned during last week's village board meeting.

According to Crivellone, the mayor said he had a fundraiser on March 21. It must be a top-secret fundraiser because there is nothing about it on the Mayor’s Independence Party website or his Facebook page.

Crivellone and another resident, Glen Kato, tracked down the mayor at Monday’s neighborhood safety meeting at Oak Lawn-Hometown Middle School to see if the new date—March 27—fit in with the mayor's schedule.

The mayor told them he didn’t wish to discuss it at the safety meeting.

Kato organized the mayoral forum between Heilmann and mayoral challenger, former Dist. 1 trustee Jerry Hurckes when he was president of the Oak Lawn Chamber in 2009. Kato said there were similar issues then with getting Heilmann to settle on a date.

Watch the inspirational Ethel Merman video, "Everything's Coming Up Roses."

After four anguished years of village board politics, Kato would like residents to have the opportunity to size up the candidates in 2013.

“I live here. I’m a resident,” Kato said. “I want to know where the candidates stand on the issues.”

Despite numerous phone calls and email messages to the mayor, Patch hasn’t heard from the mayor much lately either, except to be copied on the email he sent to mayoral challenger, Sandra Bury, saying he'd be happy to debate her any time.

Heilmann told Patch that Bury had yet to respond.

“He’s using the power of his incumbency to avoid facing the voters,” Bury said.

Bury is planning on meeting and greeting residents anyway in the VFW Post lounge from 7 to 9 p.m. Thursday, during the time that had been scheduled for the off-again forum.

“I think it’s important for voters to meet a candidate without having to pay money for it,” she said.

So that Patch isn't accused of showing favoritism, we called 115 Bourbon Street in Merrionette Park at 1:08 this morning, where we were told the mayor was holding a political fundraiser, also from 7 to 10 p.m., Thursday. Sorry, we don’t know the cost.

Meanwhile, Crivellone isn't giving up. He says his reputation is on the line if he can't get any candidates to show up at a forum. He's concerned what the Union League Club might be thinking about Oak Lawn, but we’re certain the club has encountered this before. (Read John Crivellone's email to the mayor.)

If Mayor Heilmann wants to remain silent while coasting into a third term, we think that’s a pretty good political strategy.

But we hope he’ll change his mind, because a lot of us have been waiting a long time for a showdown between the litigator and the optometrist, almost as long we waited for the release of the Godfrey and Kahn Report.

As a hat tip to the mayor’s community theater background, we offer this encouraging youtube video featuring that grand dame of Broadway, the late Ethel Merman:

"You'll be swell! You'll be great!
Gonna have the whole world on the plate!
Starting here, starting now,
honey, everything's coming up roses!"

Bob March 20, 2013 at 05:54 AM
Oaklawn is changing and not for the better. That is not the mayors fault. He does not control who comes into town. The Bury people want to blame him for crime in town but that can,t be controlled unless you put a fence around Oaklawn and screen the people moving in.
JustTheFactsPlease March 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM
I have received information regarding a fundraiser for the Mayor on Thursday evening, so it seems he is busy. Apparently Ms. Bury and her "Team" missed that memo. Why does that not surprise me.
OakLawnGuy March 20, 2013 at 12:29 PM
Vote for someone because "it's gotta be better than what we have now"? Can't do it, too many blind spots. Because yes, it can be worse than what we have now. Perhaps she will help run a "clean" board on which all trustees tell us all their connections regarding every piece of business, and those trustees and the manager buy in and cooperate fully. We may also get all our services free and retire early. The latter is more likely to happen. Yknow, we can always write someone in. That almost worked for Mr Sodaro when you were in Mr Streit's camp working him off the ballot with Mr Brennan's help.
MIKE March 20, 2013 at 12:53 PM
Fence around Oak Lawn and screen people be for they move in ????? Liken that !!!!!! Way to think out of the box Bob. Also maybe a tank and troops at Chucki Cheese.
JohnEggert March 20, 2013 at 02:04 PM
Not panic, knucklehead. Anger. Madigan should mind his own damn business and stay out of Oak Lawn politics - for that matter, politics of anyvillage, city, town, county, township, park district or library board. Illinois ranks 50 out of 50 states for its finances. Great job, Mr. Speaker. You nd the rest of the nitwits in Springfield should work on fixing your own House. On behalf of all the fine citizens of Oak Lawn, I extend to you a sincere and heartfelt invitation to get lost.
andy capped March 20, 2013 at 02:26 PM
Andy-I think you meant to post this above but here we go anyway. 1.) Legal team was approved by the Village Trustees not by Dave. It takes a majority to pass a motion not one vote. How did the legal team make it past the village manager? 2.) Campaign finances are between him and his former running mates. It is not a village issue. What happened to that court case? 3.) You have proof of his involvement with the petition drive? That’s the one that was researched at what imho was an illegal meeting conducted by then current trustees and then current village clerk. 4.) To what end does he use the village office to his own benefit? People you support have used the water bill phone numbers to get unlisted phone numbers during campaigns. 5.) Impact fees- again he has only one vote and it is when a tie vote has occurred. IT TAKES A MAJOITY- NOT ONE VOTE. What is Ms. Bury’s record? Oh that’s right she doesn’t have one. Ms. Bury is probably a nice person, she is probably capable of being the mayor, she may even be a very good one, but she hasn’t demonstrated anything in the past. Absent a demonstrated record she needs to put forth a vision and for an eye doctor she seems to be lacking vision. Thanks for helping me make up my mind.
andy capped March 20, 2013 at 02:48 PM
PROVE IT? WTH is that? Are we in third grade? Remember Andy- I’m rubber and you’re glue. I am not fake; in fact I am a very real person. (But wait what if I’m not a real person? What if I am hooked up to a machine and the aliens are making me think I am a real person. Oh no, now I have an existential crisis.) Actually, I don’t know how to put this but I’m kind of a big deal. People know me. I’m very important. Maybe a certain bong smoking caterpillar was right when he asked “who are you?” Who are you Andy? You contradict yourself in every other post all depending on who you are replying to. Who are you Andy? You claim to want what’s best for the village but you only think your handlers’ ideas are what are best. Who are you Andy and what do YOU stand for? Three patch* points to the first person to correctly identify the three movie references above. *patch points are not related to the patch.com and in fact mean nothing to anyone. They will indicate what your movie tastes are so be prepare for someone to tell you that you watch bad movies.
andy capped March 20, 2013 at 02:56 PM
Andy- really? Did you forget two years ago? Did you forget putting your name on paperwork against someone that had the gall to run against your bestie? Did you forget about harassing people for having the gall to support the person running against your bestie? Wow- my mind boggles that the original Oak Lawn glass house dwelling, rock thrower would even make that statement. Wow. Ms. Bury- Can you please post somewhere on the patch if Andy Skoundrianos is affiliated with your campaign? Can you please confirm if what he posts here aligns with your thoughts? Wow Andy. Talk about new lows.
andy capped March 20, 2013 at 02:58 PM
We did hire a Madigan backed law firm. You know, “I’m just sayin”
andy skoundrianos March 20, 2013 at 07:01 PM
Capped.. cute fake name Den/Bob but here goes 1. Dave said pick this legal team they are my friends, I will handle any legal matters He said it not me look at the G&K report..2.He uses the finances lawsuit in his campaign he started it as an election issues not me 3.He signed the petition he had his supporters circulate the petition and said publicly I support it a 1000 % his words not mine 4.He used village employees and we had to pay overtime to police officers, He used the village auditorium for the speeders show and the village was never reimbursed for the shooting of the show.. Dave also negotiated the contract himself with no input from the village board or manager 5.He has stated he is against impact fees and his trustees which he now breaks the 3-3 vote with said they were against them too. His vote now makes the majority I know you and Dave don't like facts Den/ Bob but those are a few. By the way Dave tried to report that so called illegal meeting about the petition drive to the states attorney.. they threw it out of court Just a fact you forgot to mention, by the way Bob was there too if ya remember
We Deserve Better March 20, 2013 at 08:07 PM
Lorraine refers to herself as a JOURNALIST in her onsite bio: Lorraine Swanson is the first member of her family to live south of Roosevelt Road since her grandmother stopped the rag man from whipping his horse in Gage Park in 1910. She is a veteran community journalist, writingand/or editing weeklies for Lerner Newspapers, Pioneer Press and Chicago Journal. Most recently, Lorraine had her own community news site covering Chicago's Far North Side neighborhoods called Lake Effect News. I am just pointing out that a PROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST she is not.
JohnEggert March 20, 2013 at 08:52 PM
Despite the fact that it had been scheduled for well over a month, Bury's team posted this at 9:31 pm on Sunday night March 17th: "Sadly, we were just informed that Dave Heilmann has other plans for the evening and is unable to attend. Once again the voters take a back seat to other interests. Please vote for those who will put OAK LAWN FIRST. It truly is time for change in Oak Lawn." Now, their suggestion that they just found out may well be (as Bill Clinton once said) "technically correct but misleading." But as someone mentioned in another post, this is the kind of hair splitting, word parsing nonsense that Ms. Bury, her campaign and its manager are known for. They need to learn that a half- truth is not truth.
prophet12155 March 20, 2013 at 09:21 PM
hey andy.....i'm den/bob.....or maybe it is andy capped. hmmmm...... andy could you please learn how to post a reply correctly so that some of us can read these very amusing posts in order. it is really not that difficult and even a simpleton like you should be able to manage this.
andy capped March 20, 2013 at 09:30 PM
1. Dave said they are his friends? If so, he was at least up front about it not like Bob "oh THAT brother's roofing company" Streit . If not, did he force the trustees to vote under duress? They should have done their research BEFORE the vote not years later. 2. If he used it then it must have turned out the way he hoped which I assume means it was thrown out of court. If he was dishonest why did they sign up to an account in his name? Again research BEFORE something not after. 3. Did he say he agreed with fraud? Doubtful, you can like an idea on the surface but have the execution go wrong. For some reason I doubt Dave sat at Deja Brew @ 3:00 am plotting fraud. But then again maybe he did but as a very mature adult said on this page- PROVE IT. 4. The speeders thing doesn’t really seem worth the time or effort to discuss. Who signed the contract? Did anyone else review it? Anyway it’s not like he was giving away drink tickets:) 5. He is making trustees vote under duress again? Or maybe they just don’t agree with the fees. You do know that not everyone agrees with your line of thought? The impact fees theory has been botched from the start. With the way this village is run we would forget to collect the fee- ala target. But then we will just blame the legal guys for our finance teams failures.
andy capped March 20, 2013 at 09:40 PM
Andy (if that is your real name)-I do know that Bob was there and I thought and still think it is BS. That’s one of many reasons I didn’t vote for him and never will, nor will I vote for Jane “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM” Quinlin, nor Alex “the alley man” Olejniczak, nor Tom “wake me when the meeting is over” Duhig, and thankfully Mr. Phelan realized it was time to cut his losses. Can you try to post your replies to the comments to which they pertain? It is getting really difficult to track your idiocy.
OakLawnGuy March 20, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Andy accuses virtually everyone of being a member of the New Evil Cabal because he once participated with some of their followers, masquerading as separate and distinct commenters (not bloggers, Andy, the bloggers write the articles), using different pseudonyms. He's convinced the same parties are here on Patch using different names in the same fashion. Only the IP address can tell the true tale. He likes thinking that pro-Heilmann folks are panicky, nervous, and loves getting a reaction out of them. The fact is there are a lot of things in play that none of us know about for certain, such as who is truly driving the Bury campaign and who is informing others of debate dates and when. But he likes to think he knows. It's kind of a diversion from Dr Bury's lack of stance on many issues, and, as was apparent from the Kadner interview, confusion over attacking said issues.
andy skoundrianos March 20, 2013 at 11:20 PM
Sticks and stones Sticks and stones Mad cause she isn't a mouthpiece for Dave?? Truth hurts
andy skoundrianos March 21, 2013 at 01:33 AM
Hey Joe, I'm not complaining about the patch you are.
AndyLuvsLorraine March 21, 2013 at 01:37 AM
No I am...and now your Lorraine is showing too. Poke Andy 'cos it's funny to get him all riled up...poke poke poke
andy skoundrianos March 21, 2013 at 01:59 AM
Olg once again we disagree on the issues I know you are a real person I give you credit for that I don't hide my identity either I don't care what people think My opinions are my own much to the dismay of former friends and enemies alike. No one has ever controlled me. I once supported Dave Heilmann and Bob Streit I never denied that, they have followed a different path that I can not support anymore. If you don't think all the fake names on here are not tied to a supporter of Mr. Heilmann or Mr. Streit then we just disagree. Come to the VFW tomorrow and ask Dr. Bury yourself about her platform and the issues She will be there around 7 p.m. I know you live close by
Oak Lawn Gal March 21, 2013 at 05:21 AM
Well my prediction is that Dave will win re-election and so will Jane. Not sure about the other races other than Duhig will be gone.
OakLawnGuy March 21, 2013 at 11:30 AM
Well, it's obvious they are supporters of Mr Heilmann. The group of phony commenters (who posted on the Southtown Star and SW News Herald I assume) you were part of were apparently a team organized by those they supported.
Leslie Beon March 21, 2013 at 02:21 PM
Does anyone else think that the saying "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" should be retired? After all, who is going to throw the stones standing in front of their glass house?
andy capped March 21, 2013 at 03:43 PM
Andy I am pretty sure all of the post here are by real people. If not machines have advanced to the point of being political and if that the case I have sympathy for the machines- because this is some crazy crap. Nobody thinks they are being controlled until after the fact. My dog seems to think he owns the house yet when I tell him to sit he does and on the flip side when he craps I pick it up. So who is controlling who? Who owns the other? Somebody is leading you one way or the other and you don’t realize it yet. Just look at your record. Anywho- It seems funny that you are calling OLG a real person (no offense OLG nothing but love for ya) when he in fact is posting under a pseudonym. Admittedly he is real and so are you. So is Bob and so is Den (granted I don’t qualify them as people but maybe a lower life for like pond scum) but I suppose they are real people. If it makes me a real person I can say that I know you live about five or six houses north of the Massasoit water tower on the west side of the street. I will not “out” OLG (again nothing but love OLG let me know and I can remove this part of the post) by pinpointing but I will say that he can walk to the VFW. Am I a real boy now????
John March 21, 2013 at 03:49 PM
I never got ANYTHING on Bury stands for anything please send mailing out I want to know if you have any ideas for OL
andy skoundrianos March 21, 2013 at 04:18 PM
Insightful comment blackjack that's real constructive.
andy skoundrianos March 21, 2013 at 04:25 PM
There has never been comments on sw news herald as far as i know,and I always wrote letters to the southtown. The Patch was not around during the last mayoral race in 2009.
andy capped March 22, 2013 at 02:18 PM
What is Jane’s view on gambling in Oak Lawn? Seems like she backed it when it being done at high schools and run out of her house back in 2006 (check the trib) but I am not sure how she feels about it at bars. I suppose her and the crew may like to play the machines at desmonds after the village board meeting. Thoughts anyone?
JohnEggert March 22, 2013 at 07:01 PM
andycapped asks: What is Jane’s view on gambling in Oak Lawn? Thoughts anyone? Here's one thought: When the issue came to the village board, Olejniczak couldn't get the motion to approve out of his mouth fast enough. Gotta support your bar owning buddies. The board vote was 6-0 in favor. Check the minutes. Draw your own conclusions about those who have jumped on the anti-gaming high horse.
John March 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM
Board members are fickle they change there mind and hope people wont know

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